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You dodged and now you’re trying to strawman and make excuses. Expected behavior.
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DM23 remains competitive at 10.7 - While M774 wasn’t competitive at 10.3 and remains uncompetitive at 10.7 - You can die on your meritless hill saying that it’s fine. It isn’t.
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Sure, sure. That’s why I moved on from it.
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Doesn’t happen for Warsaw 9/10 times. That first penetrating shot cripples their quarry or kills it outright.
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Depends entirely on the angle of entry around that corner. You can easily hit that corner keeping your front at an angle that makes that shot do nothing more than take that track out.
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You mean like the entire Abrams line? You mean like the A-10? You mean like Hellfires? The Sparrows? You mean like the Challengers? The Arietes? The Merkavas? The Leclercs? Stingers? Rolands? HESH? HE? TOW-2B? Don’t even try to play this game with me, ole’ sweet child. You will lose and you will lose miserably.
I just can’t believe I’m arguing about a round that is acknowledged as being not even historical, and they still wanna argue that M833 would be ‘too much of a buff’.
Like how cracked in the head do you need to be?
If I said that no T-72A ever carried a 3BM42, thus it didn’t deserve it, someone would come screeching in here to point out someplace it was.
But the mainstay sabot round of the first M1 tank is somehow up for questions and derision of other players?
To put it bluntly - They’re just hateful of America, and because they’re hateful of America they let it shine through as much as they can in the forums and in-game. Anything they can do to keep America down and kick it while it’s down, they will do. That’s all there is to it.
It’s why all their arguments are utterly meritless and clinically insane. Because it’s all just fueled by emotion and not logic.
It’s why they’re happy the Abrams sucks and they want to keep it that way so they can keep killing it with ease. It’s all just to vent their hatred, and Gaijin enables it solely by not fixing the Abrams, amongst not fixing a whole lot of other things wrong with USA ground, air and naval in this game.
What about M774 being used by the M1 isn’t historical?
Somedays I almost believe that.
I keep hoping someone will prove me wrong.
Aside from the penetration values? And the fact it was in service for only 3 years of its operational lifespan before being supplanted by 833? You have 9.3 tanks in multiple tech trees getting modern and/or experimental rounds that surpass even the 833, and you need to ask what’s wrong with this picture? After it’s been repeated in your face for 1,000 posts???
Aside from the penetration values?
Penetration values given by documentation is irrelevant as gaijin uses a calculator for all shells we have in the game. Plenty of other penetration bug reports from all nations have been ignored for this reason.
And the fact it was in service for only 3 years of its operational lifespan before being supplanted by 833?
So you’re saying it is a historical round? Alright then.
After all these years on the forums, even going as far back as the old forum, it’s the only logical conclusion I’ve come to.
It’s not asinine it is fact. Gaijin use their penetration calculator for all rounds, this is not a stipulation only applied to the US. All nations are subject to it and other documentation is disregarded.
It is also a fact that the vehicle used the shell. It is historically accurate that it uses it.
I can count 2 forumites who have admitted to me privately that yes, 774 is an underpowered round, particularly since this latest BR increase.
Those that speak otherwise are simply diehards who wouldn’t know reason if it bit them in the a$$.
Indeed. Like I said prior - It wasn’t competitive at 10.3 and it remains uncompetitive at 10.7.
A simple truth that some people simply cannot accept.
As far as my knowledge is concerned nobody within this thread has claimed that M774 is equal to or more powerful than other shells at its BR in regards to penetration values. Why are you acting as if it is some sort of conspiracy?
The only competitive note they have is the reload rate. I can’t count the number of times I’ve fired multiple rounds into USSR tanks trying to pop their LFP and bouncing off everything but the LFP. Whereas one shot and I’m pulling a turret ring and engine repair with 2 crew.
This wouldn’t be as terrible if it was like the Type 90s and you had 3 of the things to make up for dying once or twice, but you can’t expect players to do that when there’s a maximum of 2 such tanks in the entire line-up.
Contrast with USSR, and the numbers even out quick.
are the forumites in the room with us right now? because my count is 30 and they say the opposite. what have you got to say to that?
It’s ridiculous if you’re talking about real life, but this is a game and as such should be balanced. Implementing things just to suit historical accuracy would create some serious mismatches and would render some BR/nation combos unplayable/OP.
People have been complaining about Ariete/Merkava for a long while now, way before M1s started struggling. Gaijin was quick to react when they saw US was lacking, they obviously care about their major nations.
Discussing about lineups should be done in a separate thread.
Patently false.
Gaijin was quick to care after months and months of folks complaining. They just didn’t care enough about Italy or Israel. That falls on their heads. It’s not the fault of “US mains”.
And many, MANY US mains wanted to see other nations’ tanks buffed and encourage Gaijin to do so. As I did. So ultimately the problem of balance rests with the company.
This BR decompression only solidified certain aspects of their way around tech trees and individual vehicles.
So gaijin hates US players, but they just hated italian and israeli players more?
nice joke.
This isn’t an excuse, it’s a legitimate point you’re trying to ignore. That’s like arguing tank A has worse armor than tank B just because it has worse LFP for example, without ever considering other segments that also play a role in it’s armor profile effectiveness.
M774 is competitive at 10.7 as it can penetrate any tank from any angle. Slight lack of penetration is being compensated by reload speed.
We have very different experiences then.
Not a single tank can drive sideways, so you’ll always expose your idler wheel and being even slightly angled (which you will be) will result in a hit that will not only damage your track.
I already won by listing you one USSR vehicle struggling for a long time. Listing another one is just for good measure.
It’s no one’s fault. US players should stop victimizing themselves, their TT is getting better treatment than most other’s TTs.