Northrop YF-17 Cobra: the fighter pilot's fighter

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YF-17 during a 1976 flight research program at NASA’s Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, California (source: https://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/YF-17/HTML/EC76-5270.html)

“When our designers said that in the YF-17 they were going to give the airplane back to the pilot, they meant it. It’s a fighter pilot’s fighter.”

— Henry “Hank” Chouteau, Northrop Chief Test Pilot, after the YF-17’s first flight

TL;DR: smaller, lighter hornet but with only Sidewinders.

The Northrop YF-17 Cobra was a prototype light fighter developed for the US Air Force. As a participant in the Lightweight Fighter program, it embodied the Fighter Mafia’s vision for a cheap, agile dogfighter, with minimal avionics but highly manoeuvrable. Although beaten by the YF-16 in the LWF/ACF program, it found favour with the US Navy and was developed into the F/A-18.

The YF-17 can essentially be seen as a miniaturised F/A-18. Its dimensions are smaller, and its weight is lighter due to the absence of complex avionics and structural strengthening for carrier operations, which means that despite the slightly less powerful engines the Cobra has a higher T/W ratio. Manoeuvrability is excellent thanks to large LERXs and automatically controlled leading- and trailing-edge flaps (which the Hornet inherited). Armament is lacking, however, being equipped with just a M61 Vulcan, two Sidewinders on the wingtips, and two dumb bombs (in that aspect, it’s more aptly described as an enlarged F-5).

History

The YF-17 originates from Northrop’s internal projects to further develop the F-5 in 1965. The first design was the N-300, a stretched F-5 powered by two General Electric J1A1 engines. The program designation was changed to P530 in 1967 and the design was eventually finalised and patented in 1970. It was meant to be a multirole aircraft, utilising highly advanced avionics and carrying a wide range of payloads, as the images of the aircraft and cockpit mockups below show. In a sense, the P530 was more similar to the F/A-18 than the YF-17! Northrop attempted to partner with European nations to produce the P530, but no one showed any interest.



Source: “Northrop: An Aeronautical History” by Fred Anderson

Then the Fighter Mafia came along. Dissatisfied with the F-X program and the F-15, they managed to obtain funds for a “Study to Validate the Integration of Advanced Energy-Maneuverability Theory with Trade-Off Analysis”, in which they asked General Dynamics and Northrop to develop a fighter that embodied their visions. Their initiative was eventually supported by the Department of Defense and the US Air Force with the Lightweight Fighter program (which would be followed by the Air Combat Fighter program for the production aircraft). A Request for Proposal was issued in 1971/1972, and Northrop immediately realised that their P530 design could be adapted to the new program.

The YF-17 made its first flight on 9 June 1974 with Northrop Chief Test Pilot Henry “Hank” Chouteau at the controls. The flight lasted 61 minutes and reached 610 mph (982 km/h) at an altitude of 18,000 feet (5486 m). After the flight, Chouteau remarked: “When our designers said that in the YF-17 they were going to give the airplane back to the pilot, they meant it. It’s a fighter pilot’s fighter.” Two days later, on 11 June, Chouteau flew the YF-17 to Mach 1 without afterburner at 30,000 feet. The first flight of the second prototype was on 21 August 1974. The test flight program proceeded quickly and smoothly. Upon completion in January 1975, 288 flights and 330 hours of flight time had been accumulated. The Air Force ultimately chose its competitor, the YF-16, for further development, saying that the YF-16 had advantages in agility, acceleration, turn rate, and endurance over the YF-17, and possibly because the YF-16 used the same engine as the F-15, lowering engine development costs for both programs. However, the Navy favoured the YF-17 due to its twin-engine design which was considered safer for sea operations and its multirole capability. Consequently, Northrop and McDonnell Douglas developed the YF-17 into the F/A-18 Hornet.

Design and specifications

General characteristics:

  • Crew: 1
  • Length: 55 ft 6 in (16.92 m)
  • Wingspan: 35 ft (10.67 m)
  • Height: 14 ft 6 in (4.42 m)
  • Weight:
    • Empty: 17,390 lb (7,888 kg)
    • Gross (full internal fuel, cannon ammo, missiles): 24,760 lb (11,231 kg)
    • Maximum: 34,430 lb (15,617 kg)
  • Fuel capacity: 6,400 lb (2903 kg)
  • Wing area: 350 square feet (33 m²)
  • Engine: 2x General Electric YJ101 turbojet, afterburning thrust 15,000 lbf (67 kN) (static, uninstalled) (some sources claim a 14,400 lbf (64 kN) thrust, unspecified whether this is installed thrust)

Performance:

  • Max speed: 1,320 mph (2,120 km/h, 1,150 kn) at 40,000 feet (12,000 m)
  • Maximum mach: 1.95
  • Climb rate: 50,000 ft/min (250 m/s)
  • Service ceiling: 60,000 ft (18,000 m)
  • Combat radius: 500 nmi (576 mi; 927 km)
  • Ferry range: 2,400 nmi (2,800 mi; 4,500 km)

Avionics and armament:

  • Flight control: mechanical with control augmentation system (automatic leading- and trailing-flap deployment based on AoA)
  • Radar: X-band, range and closing rate measurement, 6,000 ft (1829 m) range, ±10˚ azimuth and +6˚ to -20˚ elevation, 1,000 ft/s (305 m/s) opening to 3,000 ft/s (914 m/s) closing
  • 1x M61 Vulcan, 500 rounds
  • 2x wingtip hardpoints
    • AIM-9E (some sources claim usage of AIM-9J or AIM-9L)
  • 4x underwing hardpoints
    • Inner hardpoints: 600-gallon drop tanks or Mk 84 2,000 lb LDGP bombs
    • Outer hardpoints: ECM pods (only dummies were carried for test flights)
Diagrams

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General arrangement (source: Northrop YF-17 Pilot’s Manual)

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Cockpit arrangement (source: Northrop YF-17 Pilot’s Manual)

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Instrument panel (source: Northrop YF-17 Pilot’s Manual)

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Left console (source: Northrop YF-17 Pilot’s Manual)

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Right console (source: Northrop YF-17 Pilot’s Manual)


Aircraft operating envelope (source: DTIC ADB022460: YJ101-YF-17 Aircraft Prototype Development Summary)


Engine operating envelope (source: DTIC ADB022460: YJ101-YF-17 Aircraft Prototype Development Summary)

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Detailed dimensions and diagram (source: NASA Technical Reports Server (NTRS) 19800014838: Precision controllability of the YF-17 airplane)

More pictures


Source: “Northrop: An Aeronautical History” by Fred Anderson


Source: “Northrop: An Aeronautical History” by Fred Anderson


Source: “Northrop: An Aeronautical History” by Fred Anderson


Selection from a gorgeous set of photos owned by Sundog at Secret Projects here: Northrop P-530 / P-600 / P-610 / YF-17 Design Evolution | Page 2 | Secret Projects Forum


Selection from a gorgeous set of photos owned by Sundog at Secret Projects here: Northrop P-530 / P-600 / P-610 / YF-17 Design Evolution | Page 2 | Secret Projects Forum


Selection from a gorgeous set of photos owned by Sundog at Secret Projects here: Northrop P-530 / P-600 / P-610 / YF-17 Design Evolution | Page 2 | Secret Projects Forum


Selection from a gorgeous set of photos owned by Sundog at Secret Projects here: Northrop P-530 / P-600 / P-610 / YF-17 Design Evolution | Page 2 | Secret Projects Forum

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+1. I’m a big, and self-admittedly biased, fan of Northrop aircraft, and I would absolutely love to see the YF-17 Cobra in-game someday.

However, I have to admit the uncomfortable truth about the YF-17 and its place in War Thunder. It would be one of the more challenging aircraft to implement and balance in-game. It has no countermeasures, no RWR, and no dedicated search radar. We still don’t have definitive information on where countermeasures would have been mounted, nor do we know exactly what search radar and RWR models it was intended to receive.

Given that, I see there are three possible options for Gaijin to introduce it.

The first option is to add the YF-17 as it existed in its prototype configuration, with no countermeasures and only two AIM-9E missiles. This would make it essentially an overtiered and flareless F-5C, most likely to struggle a lot in its BR (maybe around 12.0 or less)

The second option is to equip the YF-17 with countermeasures (as done with the F-5C) and improved Sidewinder missiles such as the AIM-9J or AIM-9L, while preserving its prototype configuration. This option might be viewed as a more acceptable option.

The third option is to take liberties, as seen with aircraft like the F-5C or Yak-141. The YF-17 could be fully fledged, added with countermeasures, a fully functional radar system and RWR, and potentially more weapons to make it viable at its BR. This would make the aircraft more relevant in-game, but it could also be viewed by some as borderline fictional and face criticism for deviating from the prototype’s historically limited loadout.

Anyway, here are some additional images showing hypothetical loadout configurations for the YF-17:

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I have mixed feelings about this. Its a cool jet, but from my understanding, it does not get access to countermeasures and the best missile we have evidence it used was the AIM-9E. As for CAS capability, if it could use guided munitions it wouldn’t be terrible, but not very great.

If it could use a loadout like this i suppose it wouldnt be terrible

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Honestly, that’s the best situation.
Let’s say ~10.3 BR with that loadout. Would be an interesting dogfighter in the upper BRs before BVR.

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imo and for balance reasons i say this plane should get the an/ale-37 (same as the one from the av8a) on the belly pylon

Isnt the radar it used the Hughes Atlas? Or was that only a proposed radar…

Knowing the Fighter Mafia they were probably dead against the inclusion of any radar. Looking at the cockpit layout there’s really no room for one, unless it was a radar gunsight.

Fighter Mafia was something else

Reminds me of the whole US Army M14 vs. AR-10 then AR-15 deal (M14 is pretty and traditional but the AR-10 is just plain better)

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Then i doubt itd be able to use sparrows then.

If it could equip 4 aim-9Js and some sort of external countermeasure system, then id say this thint would be like 11.3 or 11.7 max. Itd essentially be a better F-5E FM with 2 more missiles.

Tho the downside could be no CMs in which id happily take the F-5E over the YF-17, in my personal opinion.

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It does have what the pilot’s manual calls a “fire control radar” (it’s number 2 in the general arrangement diagram above) but from the description it seems to be basically a radar gunsight. It’s only used to measure range and closure rate that’s displayed on the HUD and fed into the fire control computer for lead calculation.

+1, and an extra +1 if it comes with an IAF skin for when a delegation visited and inquired about purchasing it over the F-16:
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This (with CM pod and better loadouts) should have been the premium and the F-20 as TT

Morally obligated to hate the YF-17.

We’ve got Canadian, French, Greek, and Spanish skins for the YF-17 as well. One YF-17 airframe was reused and repainted with multiple different national markings for promotional purposes. I believe at least one of those images was photoshopped for marketing, but regardless, I found those cool and worth sharing here.

As for custom skins, we could even see liveries of potential foreign operators. This artwork comes from the F-18L brochure, since the YF-17 was also used to promote that variant to international buyers.

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F-18L my beloved

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Hughes proposed the ‘Atlas’ radar specifically for the Northrop P530 concept. Westinghouse also proposed their own WX-series radar, which was an early predecessor to the APG-66. Rockwell International proposed an X-band radar of their own. There are photos of a mock-up radar floating around, though it’s unclear which company it belongs to (but it likely isn’t Rockwell’s).

Here are some pages that detail the proposed radar systems:

Hughes and Westinghouse were the main competitors for supplying the radar to whichever aircraft, YF-16 or YF-17, won the LWF program. As we know, the F-16 won and ended up using the Westinghouse APG-66 instead of Hughes’ APG-65.

If the YF-17 had won or is ever modeled in-game with a fully integrated radar system, it’s possible it could have been equipped with either the APG-65 or APG-66. Personally, I think the APG-65 makes more sense, especially since it was proposed for the F-18L as well.

It’s worth noting that both the APG-65 and -66 were larger and more sophisticated than the initially planned radars for the P530. I wonder whether either one could actually fit into the YF-17’s nose, as I haven’t looked into the exact measurements.

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