Northrop F-5F 2000's Upgrade: Two pilots are better than one, now more new


The Northrop F-5F is a twin seat version of the F-5E which has seen use by the US as a training aircraft for it’s various aggressor squadrons. Originally being just a twin seat F-5E, recently the US purchased low flight hour Swiss F-5F’s to modernise and replace their aging fleet of original F-5F’s.

History

The F-5 began it’s career with it’s first flight in 1963 at Edwards AFB after the need for a lightweight tactical fighter was called for by NATO. The USAF would adopt the F-5 soon thereafter however. In October of 1965 the F-5 would start a five month combat evaluation where it proved a success after missions over Vietnam.

The F-5 would then go on to be adopted as OPFOR units to train pilots against in varying situations. These flew in the 64th and 65th Aggressor squadrons based out of Nellis AFB in Nevada. They would also be used by the US Marines to serve with VMFT-401 at Marine Cops Air Station Yuma and also with the US Navy which used them extensively in the Naval Fighter Weapons School, better know as TOPGUN.

The F-5 would develop into the F-5E in 1970 followed by a twin seat version, the F-5F. The F-5F would essentially be the same as the F-5E except for the obvious second seat which allowed it to be used as an effective training aircraft to teach new pilots how to fight and a longer nose which allowed it to maintain a single M39 cannon, something that the previous twin seat F-5B did not have.

The F-5 would also go on to be a popular choice by other nations such as Taiwan, Brazil, Greece, Norway, Netherlands, Singapore, and most importantly (for this suggestion) Switzerland. Switzerland originally bought their F-5F’s in the mid-late 70’s.

Swiss F-5F’s which had bought bought from the US in the late 70’s would be bought back in 2006 by the US as they were looking to upgrade their aging F-5Fs with ones with less flight hours and that they could upgrade. Once delivered the US began modernising them with all new avionics such as a new radar, the AN/APG-69, and the ability to carry more modernised air-air missiles such as later AIM-9 Sidewinder variants such as the AIM-9L, this would match them to the same standard as the now designated F-5N (F-5E bought from Switzerland as part of the same deal.)

More recently in 2020 the US bought a new batch of Swiss F-5’s to further improve them with an improved cockpit and various warning systems such as a ground-proximity warning system. The first of the latest batch arrived in the US in early 2024.

Specifications

Size

  • Length: 51 feet 7 inches (15.7 meters)
  • Wingspan: 26 feet 8 inches (8.1 meters)
  • Height: 13 feet 1.75 inches (4.0 meters)

Weight:

  • Weight: Max. gross, take-off: 24,722 pounds (11,214 kg)

Engine:

  • 2 x J85-GE-21C afterburning turbojet engines each producing 5,000 pounds (2,273 kg) of thrust

Max Speed:

  • Mach 1.56 at 36,000 feet

Ceiling:

  • 50,000+ feet (15,420 +meters)
Armament

Guns

  • 1 x 20mm M39A2 Revolver Cannon, 280 rounds

Air-to-Air

  • 2 x AIM-9 Sidewinders (Presumed to be AIM-9L/9M)

Air-to-Ground

  • Hydra 70mm rockets
  • Zuni rockets
  • AGM-65 Maverick
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Sources

US Navy - F-5N/F Adversary Aircraft
NAVAIR - F-5 Tiger II
Flight Global - US Navy releases photos of first Swiss F-5E fighter destined for aggressor duty
Wikipedia - Northrop F-5
The War Zone - First Navy F-5 Aggressor Begins Upgrade That Will Make The Entire Fleet Far More Potent
The War Zone - Marine F-5 Aggressors Becoming Far More Threatening Via “Red Net” Data Link Upgrade
Airfighters - Northrop F-5F Tiger II Aircraft Data

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+2000! Role play as an armed T-38? Yes please!

The only thing with this is that the USN-operated F-5Fs (as well as the F-5Ns) had their 20mm cannon(s) removed, as well as ability to carry/fire any missiles aside from captive training rounds.

I’d be all for this if Gaijin were willing top clarify their position on semi-historical aircraft such as this, but beforehand, would rather just get one of the original/older F-5Fs and maybe even the F-5E Tiger IV demonstrator (since that one actually carried at least one gun, and would’ve had provisions for more weapons due to being a lead-in trainer).

Except it’s not semi-historical. It is a real aircraft used by the US Navy and Marines.

We also have stuff like the F-5C having countermeasures which it did not have and the Yak-141 which has equipment it never mounted so I don’t see why this or the F-5N would be any different, they are fully capable of carrying guns and missiles they are just removed as you said.

Also you said that you spoke with an F-5N pilot that confirmed the ability to fire AIM-9L/M missiles, what happened to that?

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Id love to see the F-5N or even moreso the F-5N+ (itd have the same radar, CMs, etc, but with a glass cockpit) however you also have to look at historical accuracy even if gaijin ignores it in some of their aircraft, as fustrating as it is.

If the F-5N would be added, without evidence that it could use its guns after being converted into a trainer/adversary jet, it would only recieve 2 AIM-9Ls or 9Ms at a higher or the same the BR as the FCU or SCU while being subpar, due to the lack of guns. If you could find evidence it can indeed use the M39A2s or A3s as a “Fitted for but not with” (akin to the L-159 ALCA and AMRAAMS), then i would gladly support it being added to the game.

But for now, the F-5E Tiger IV, which would give the F-5E better missiles and the APG-66 radar, seems to be the better bet at the moment, or even a foreign F-5 variant such as the F-5S of Singapore, an earlier F-20 variant like the 1st or 2nd prototype (prem one is the 3rd), or even the partially built 4th prototype would be a suitable replacement if the F-5N/N+ are not capable of using their original guns after they were removed, or if the ability to live fire Sidewinders was removed.

But gaijin might pull a gaijin and give it said capabilities for only reasons gaijin knows…

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