Northrop F-5E Tiger IV - America's Only Modernized Tiger

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Northrop F-5E Tiger IV

   Hello everybody. I’d like to suggest the F-5E Tiger IV, America’s own modernized Tiger developed after the F-20A Tigershark program. The Tiger IV was Northrop’s attempt to comprehensively upgrade and repurpose the F-5E fleet into a modern lead-in trainer incorporating F-16 components, most notably a modified solid-state APG-66 radar.

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+1, us needs tiger with 9L

Yet another huge +1 from me, could easily be added as a folder with the standard F-5E

Why… would they bother with that??? IN THE 1980s WHAT ON EARTH??!!

This better get aim 9L so that the 10.7-11.3 region isnt clogged with another F-5 variant, hopefully the flight model and IR signature will be accurate too

Because the F-20 had been essentially killed by the mid-80s. F-5s were still very prolific around the world, with a lot of countries wanting to update/upgrade them with more modern systems to keep them relevant, even as lead-in trainers.

Even if the F-20 entered production, F-5s would likely still be widely used, possibly even as lead-in trainers for the F-20.

I’d say they simply called it Tiger IV because Chile beat them to it with their modernization program called Tiger III, and for obvious reasons, they couldn’t call it the same thing. It’s curious that the United States, being the manufacturing country, offered a modernization program inferior to those of other foreign countries like Israel; I suppose that’s why they didn’t receive any orders. I love this US modernization and hope it makes it to the air tree. +1

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F-5 is one of my favorite work horse aircraft you can turn fight and have a decent reach with there missiles.

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+1 I wonder what br it could be

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similar likely to the Thai upgraded version.

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No, it doesn’t have as good a radar or radar-guided missiles as the Derby; it would have a Br similar to that of an early F-16, like 12.3

Good point. That’s very plausible considering the nature of the competition at the time. It seems Northrop tried to convince customers that the “IV” was more capable and advanced than the “III” based on the number, when in reality it was primarily an avionics upgrade comparable to that of the F-16, with little else changed.

In hindsight, I do think Northrop may have miscalculated the needs of international customers regarding the modernization program. The F-16-level avionics suite may have been viewed as too expensive for what it offered. As a result, many operators likely chose to retire or modernize their existing F-5s, integrating their own ARH missile capability and more affordable radar and avionics packages, which proved more cost-effective in the long term.

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To be fair, the F-5 Tiger IV would be purely a side grade to the USAF F-5E at 11.0. Loss of a gun can be offset by HUD’s advanced Enhanced Envelope Gun Sight.

In my opinion, the F-5C should be given AIM-9Js, while the F-5E should receive AIM-9Ls and move up to 11.3. The F-5E Tiger IV could then be foldered with it at the same BR of 11.3, also equipped with AIM-9Ls.

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Sure, in your post I was reading that the American company offered that package for F-5 users who might be upgrading to the F-16 and therefore using the F-5 as a trainer. I think that was the main mistake, since the F-5 was seen, and still is, as a very capable interceptor fighter. Countries like Chile and Thailand wanted it to remain a combat fighter and not just an advanced trainer, and that’s why they opted for the Israeli upgrade, which offered a more advanced radar and more powerful weapons systems.

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Aye, Northrop was probably underestimating the F-5, its own product, in use by international users, which is pretty ironic.

There where also US laws in arms control that was to prevent 1. US technology from getting in the hands of that time USSR/China 2. Stop fueling wars and arms races. 3. As a negotiating agreement with the USSR so US allies are less likely to be slugging it out with top of the line USSR export equipment (not fun). 4. So US companies would prioritize US domestic military needs.

US companies would have loved to sell there stuff but that was the reason.

That would explain why the Tiger IV was equipped only with F-16-derived avionics, but the US government would have had no issue with Northrop selling modernized F-5s if the Tiger IV program had proven successful.

When the F-5E Tiger IV flew for the first time in 1995, the USSR was long gone, and the Cold War was no more.

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Yes but the development time was during the cold war and the export restrictions where gone by that time so would you buy a real F-16 or a Vietnam Fighter using late Korean war fighter philosophy in the late 1990s? Also you will get this fighter upgrade package in the 2000s. Overall the concept came from the geo-politics of the cold war and was not fit for the new era. A good fighter for the wrong era.

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