I think you’re right, it’s under-tiered slightly. (although it’s not at 9.3, I have it at 10.3)
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There’s also the later Songun-Ho with ERA and Bulsae 3 and anti air
Pokpung-Ho III (2017)
Think of the tank this way… it’s a T-72AV TURMS-T but lacks thermal sights and ERA on turret. In compensation you get modern 115mm ATGM missiles, far more mobility, Bulsae-2 ATGMs with 600mm penetration and Igla MANPADS for anti air.
T-72AV TURMS-T would have slightly more powerful apfsds tho (3BM42) at least more noticeable at close range. Considering it’s 10.0, I think Pokpung-Ho III would be suitable fit at 10.0 as well
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I found the brochure:
Despite the name, it seems it’s a copy of the 9M111-2, given the 460mm penetration value, not the base 9M111 (400mm) or the 9M111M (600mm).
Gives a little buff to the M1992 in my tree but it’s the only vehicle with the Bulsae-2 iirc.
Export markets? When were we talking about that?
Like Ukraine, most of DPRK’s tanks are copies of USSR designs and only later do they show SIGNIFICANT improvement/unique qualities - not to say some of the early models had their own differences
Export markets don’t matter in this equation - Israeli tanks (early) were largely just captured USSR variants modified (Tehran) and upgraded Shermans and just plain old American gear (M-51 Super Sherman + Patton / Pershing(?)
The T-62 is a MBT - an older model, but still an MBT.
North Korean Pokpong and Chonma models are sufficient to be considered MBTs of an older group
Chinese and Israel MBTs are largely copy and paste with some edits here and there
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I wish they added these vehicles soon
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Really want these added. The MBTs better be worse than everything else as I love an underdog
Three possible vehicles that could be added, the first is the 323 (ZPU-4) either as a Tier II or early Tier III, which is a VTT 323 with 4 14.5mm HMG’s
The other two is the BTR-80A which the DPRK uses (Identical to the one in the Soviet TT) and the M2010 which is a BTR-80 with the VTT-323 turret that also can mount Igla Anti-Air Missiles
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I need to update this tree, and those are all vehicles I was planning on adding! (and making proper suggestions for)
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YES it would be a great idea.
Most of the equipment in North Korea is either Soviet-made or its variant. It makes no sense that the option includes China. And I also don’t think the tree of Soviet equipment will be limited to the current quantity. Given the lifespan of the game, more equipment will be added to the Soviet Union, one of the major countries, and most of the equipment from other Eastern Bloc or socialist countries has not yet appeared. So I think the options are ‘Soviet’, ‘Unified Korea’ and ‘Other’.
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I would have to disagree with you, NK has some really interesting modifications to Soviet vehicles that I think would honestly be very fun to play, China would benefit greatly from NK ground forces. China will grow but only in the higher tiers, NK would work nicely to beef up Chinese low-mid tiers.
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It’s hard to understand how this could be connected.
Yes… of course, instead of NK here, you could put Poland, Czechoslovakia, Turkiye, Ukraine, India, Thailand… Any of them would benefit China. So why must it be NK? Just because they are Asian?
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Apart from Thailand, you named all the countries that have either no real geopolitical ties with China or is China’s enemy, NK has been an extremely close ally of China, hence they would be an extremely suitable option for China.
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Honestly, it united with South Korea just for the games sake makes more sense.
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Try Pakistan
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So why mentioned this? There would be no problem with your logic if you had mentioned Chinese vehicles instead of Soviet vehicles. But it makes no logical sense to modified Soviet vehicles and have them for China…
And if it were me, I would support for a Chinese export vehicle line instead of sub-tree addiction. China has built enough vehicles that there is no need to rely on sub-trees.
Even if China gets a sub-tree by any chance, it has to be Pakistan, as @Mahiwew said. Because it has greater technological relevance to China, both on the ground and in the air. For example, among North Korea’s tanks, except for the Type 59, there is no trace of Chinese technology. And Pakistan will actually benefit China more in the game.
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The North Korean 323 APC is based on the Chinese Type 63 APC (YW531) and has a number of derivatives:
- 323 with 76mm
- 323 with 122mm
- 323 with 9M14 ATGM
- 323 with MLRS (Chinese rocket version and a Soviet rocket version)
- 323 Light Tank using the 85mm gun of the Chinese Type 62/63
The ‘M1981’ Sinhŭng light tank is derived from the 323 chassis and uses a gun derived from that of the Chinese Type 62/63.
The ‘M2018’ NLOS ATGM carrier uses NLOS ATGMs presumably derived from China’s HJ-10. Russia doesn’t use NLOS ATGMs, and the only other similar weapon is Israel’s SPIKE NLOS.
The M1978 Tŏkch’ŏn (37mm) SPAA uses dual 37mm Chinese guns (albeit originally derived from Soviet ones).
North Korea also operated the Type 62 and Type 63.
North Korea may also use Chinese ammunition for their 125mm guns on the Sŏn’gun and M2020 MBTs, although admittedly that’s basically an educated guess.
And this is just vehicles, there are many more weapons in North Korea’s arsenal derived from Chinese ones.
Yes, there are more technological links between the DPRK and USSR/Russia, but the links between the DPRK and China aren’t as few as just the Type 59.
But I think considering North Korea’s closer political ties to China, starting after the Sino-Soviet split, I believe China is the best tree for North Korean vehicles (and as a tiny extra point, the North Korean-operated Shenyang F-5 is also already in the Chinese tree).
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There is no disagreement about VTT-323s and others, but I said “tank”.
Tanks are the most iconic ground force, and North Korean MBT is the Ch’ŏnma series, the T-62 variation.
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Fair, but not every vehicle in the game is a tank (by the proper definition). We should talk about every possible vehicle, not just one category that makes your argument stronger.
Regardless, I did still name tanks. The M1981, Type 62, Type 63 and the 323 light tank, are all tanks.