China already has a VT-4
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It seems many are confused.
There is already a VT-4 in the Chinese tech tree complete with better rounds and an APS.
Thai VT-4 will be a downgrade to what the PLA has in service. With no APS to boot.
What this means is that the VT-4 being in the Japanese tech tree under a Thai subtree will not take away from any Chinese player or China’s tech tree.
The ROC should also receive the Abrams, which would make the Abrams available in the China tech tree.
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And it will be flagged as a Thai vehicle. What of the ROC vehicles kn the China tree? Nobody gave a damn about it even if ROC will never want to associate with the PRC.
The VT4A1, completely different variant.
And the China tree should get the VT4 as well, being the nation of origin and all.
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Personally I dont think the VT4 will really be needed in the Chinese tech tree not unless its flagged as a Pakistani vehicle.
The VT4A1 is just better but eh who knows.
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That’s where Battle Ratings come in. China doesn’t have any 11.3 MBT’s yet.
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+1 from me for a Thai subtree in Japan. It’s not like the VT-4 was only ever evaluated by Thailand, it’s a vehicle used in active service by Thailand, so it should go into the Thai subtree. China is in no place to complain about it, seeing as how much of their tech tree is made up of vehicles from other nations, even those that are considered top tier like F-16s and potentially Abrams in the future.
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Now I feel that political stance doesn’t matter anymore. Even if the Thai VT4 is given to the Japanese TT, China can still replicate an identical copy. Exactly the same.
Another issue is that VT4 currently performs extremely poorly in the game. Gaijin is neither willing to enhance it nor give it a reasonable BR.
The Thai manual indicates that the loading speed of VT4 can be reduced to at least 6.7s.
And the length of DTC10 is at least 635mm（Install tail fin ≈ 670mm）. This does not include the gains brought by special structures, high initial velocity, and tungsten alloy materials.
But Gaijin refused all of them on the grounds of “undisclosed information”.
There is also evidence to suggest that the armor thickness of VT4’s hull is incorrect. Thicker in reality. The report has been approved, but it has not been revised yet.
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I actually think if more VT-4s were to be added, Gaijin will have to be forced to look at the vehicle again instead of them just not caring about this somewhat niche of a vehicle. Pakistan could get a VT-4 and that would under the Chinese TT along with Thai VT-4 and an ROC M1 Abrams - would be a great update honestly.
This would also affect the Thai T-84 Oplot-T which also uses Chinese rounds together with Ukrainian ones afaik
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+1 from me for the inclusion of the Thai VT-4 in the subtree, along with the T-84, currently in service in that country, I agree that the Chinese could benefit from the Pakistani version.
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Well here it is : )
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So is Thailand getting the VT-4 or not?
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I don’t know but I think the snail is waiting for things to cool down. I find it sad because I was looking forward to the VT-4 my bet will be the Christmas update and it will be a last second addition no dev server review.
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I suspect that they inevitably will get the VT-4, but that Gaijin will wait an update or two to let things simmer down
Imo it would make less sense for Thailand to not get the VT-4 at this point then the other way around, especially considering that it was already part of the leaks for this update
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I agree I feel like Gaijin was hoping to have a bit more for the sub tree. Though we could be looking for a ASIAN sub tree mid to long term in the future so bulking on Thai stuff right now might not have been in there plan. But I am looking forward to the VT-4 hopefully we will also see some lower tier stuff as well + some decals.
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in leaks, its labelled as “delayed” (as was the VN-1C) meaning it’ll likely come in the update after Tusk Force. The F-2A was also delayed and came an update later than it should’ve.