+1 What is new about the pakistani one?
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+1 for Thai subtree in Japan
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Wouldnt the Thai VT4 be inferior to the Ingame one anyhow?
yeah it would be
I’d say don’t expect this vehicle to be present in the Japanese tech tree. The original Thai subtree for Japan was submitted with all Chinese export vehicle excluded for some sensitive reason apparently. Gaijin will probably not overlook this concern so this vehicle will most likely not for Japan.
Spoiler
Go check out T-84 if you want future Japanese top tier vehicle.
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Gaijin is known to do unexpected things, we never know what might happen.
On one hand the VT-4 was a sensitive topic, Chinese players did not want to lose a tank like what happened to the KF41. They added VT-4A1, but even now VT-4 is different. Naturally the concern is high, nobody wants one nations vehicles exclusively in another tree.
I don’t really think there would be an issue once China has the tank, as that was the main concern. It is under the Thai flag, fighting battles with and against random nations as everyone else.
Ultimately we wouldn’t even know if they plan to add it, even with a subtree. Until it is added it’s only speculation wether it will be added in a later update or never.
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+1 for VT-4 in Chinese tech tree. While I do support the Thai subtree for Japan, I do believe that VT-4 and other Chinese vehicles would fare better in Chinese tech tree since it’s still a fresh and new tech tree that needs more unique contents. And while I would love for VT-4 and other chinese vehicles to be in the Thai sub tech tree under JP, I wouldn’t want to create a discord in War Thunder community. Therefore, even though I might be just a one voice of the wider Thai player base, I am okay with Thai subtech tree without Chinese vehicles.
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Tbh at the end of the day its up to gaijin to decide whether or not to add these vehicles… frankly knowing gaijin and the minium effort it would take to place the vehicles in both nations its likely they would like the sk105
I don’t understand why people think it would be such a problem? China already has a superior version of this vehicle. As for Chinese vehicles being in a Japanese tree, do I have to remind you all of what Chinese lower tiers are composed off? It’s simply hypocritical to be angry at the fact that a Chinese vehicle would be in Japanese tree. Even more if it’s a vehicle meant for export.
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Difference comes from the point of view. You look at it as a Chinese vehicle being in a Japanese tree. I look at it as a Thai vehicle being in a Japanese tree. The same way I look at Finnish T-34 in a Swedish tree.
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This actually explains why a lot of people cannot get why this is offending. It can be viewed as a Thai vehicle being in a Japanese tree so that there seems to be no problem here.
However, only looking it as a Thai vehicle being in a Japanese tree won’t make the problem disappear. It doesn’t change the fact that it is a Chinese vehicle being in a Japanese tree. It only serves as an excuse to avoid the problem.
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If this vehicle is to become the final top vehicle in the China tree, it would be strange for it to be placed in the Japan tree via Thailand, and I would not agree with that either. However, the fact is that China has several tanks more powerful than this, so I don’t think there is any reason to oppose it.
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Gaijin will put vehicles wherever they want.
Chi-Ha is in China, VT-4 will go in Thailand.
As expected of their current behavior @MAUSWAFFE
As of nothing has been set in stone; The Thai Sub tech tree has neither come or confirmed by Gaijin, speculation and suggestion are the only things we can do here. As I stated before, I do believe that VT-4 would fit in nicely within CN Tech tree as a folder vehicle or a premium. After all, the least controversial the better, Thailand, as a sub tree, may provide the JP Tech Tree with Oplot while VT-4 goes to CN.
Personally, I would love if we have this kind of discussion civilly and mindful about it (This kind of discussion can get heated quite easily) , I don’t really want to see the community fighting each other. So, please, be considerate of each other, and think of each other; some Chinese players may not want to see their vehicles in other tech tree, especially JP due to the history between 2 nation while some players want it to be there as a part of Thai Sub Tech Tree to fulfill the line up or because of the similar lens used in adding T-80U to Sweden Tech Tree, as another vehicle for the tech tree. Both of the reasons are quite understandable, in my opinion, so please be considerate and understanding, not hauling insults and so on
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I still believe that a Thai subtree should allow all Thai vehicles. Where they originated should be exactly as little of an issue as it is for other subtrees and national trees in the game currently. However I also believe that China should receive their own VT-4, as it is a Chinese tank. For that I suggest a Pakistani tank, as it would possibly bring a subtree to China like Thailand would to Japan.
Maybe one point that hasn’t been brought up yet would be decals, as subtrees allow for national decals. This might need to be changed for a Thai VT-4 to prevent creating the issue that many players seem to see in it. Additionally, similar to American tanks for Italy, Thai markings could be permanently added to the vehicle.
But in the end, even with a subtree, it is Gaijins decision to add the tank or not. We could see the subtree and never see the tank in it. It would not make a difference as no subtree currently has all vehicles that nation offered.
Either way I’d be happy to see a Thai subtree no matter if with or without VT-4.
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China is one of the largest weapon exporters in the world. This tank wasn’t meant for service in the PLA. It was meant for export. The fact that this vehicle could be in other tech tree shouldn’t surprise anybody. Sure you had your beef with Japan but you operated their stuff too. US was a enemy of Japan during WW2 and yet you see them rocking in American vehicles too. If someone suggested a variant of Type-59. Would you say that China needs to get this specific variant or something different? There are over 50 versions of that damn thing. Do you think your country not seeing one variant of the vehicle that you pretty much now have is a tragedy?
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You shouldn’t treat your vehicles being in some other tree as some sort of a heresy.
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I do still think they should get a VT-4 no matter what. Adding a Pakistani VT-4 for China would be the best in my opinion, as then both would be part of a subtree, but a chinese one as they have done for other export tanks would work too.
I absolutely support the Thai VT-4 being in the Thai subtree, but China has a claim on their VT-4 as well since they developed it in the first place.
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Would be a nice event vehicle or premium I suppose
This problem applies to other Chinese vehicles in Thailand use as well. In my opinion ,historical reasons shouldn’t even be a problem. Both nations did some evil and immoral things in the past(one is doing them to this day) but that’s behind us. Today both of them are in some sort of a neutral relations so I don’t think having some Chinese vehicle in a Japanese tech tree should be a problem. Especially when China has better versions of these vehicles.
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