~20kg
Did you watch the video? It wasn’t just the optics, the tank was completely out of control, the turret rotating out of control is more than just the optics were shot out…The driver in able to control the tank is also more than optics being shot out. Did you also see the drone that came in and finished it off after the crew bailed.
We have several videos of crews abandoning vehicles whether they are tanks, BMPS, and no one cares about debating the status of the vehicles because at the end of the day, they were removed from combat. period.
Yet when a T90M gets taken out all we hear are excuses and oh no it wasnt actually destroyed so no big deal. No one gives a shit.
At the end of the day an M2 Bradley (Wihtout TOW) took out Russias most advanced tank. Period.
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Ok roughly 20. I drive and you load the gun? Doesnt make the job much easier when you have the inertia at play. Load 10 shells one after the other like that and than lets measuer your time
At the end of the day a buggy with a tripod took out the western most modern and UNDESTROYABLE tank and we just play dead when someone mentions it. The drone didnt even penetrate and sorry but that tank is still considered immobilised and not destroyed because the definition of destroyed is unrepairable. You are the one that started the whole bradley v t90m topic so if you want to abandone it just say it.
Btw T90M getting wrecked by a DDS Bradley 2 is a no biggy since everything RU has is shite and everything in the west is made by the hand of god thus proving my point of the stereotypes
I did and your argument doesnt change anything so whats your point?
I agree a T90 being killed by a Bradley isnt a big deal, Russia will just continue to send more of them to be destoyed per their doctrine, that was my point. Russian tanks can be disabled by a cheese sandwich.
Also please show me a buggy with a tri-pod destroy a US M1A2 Abrams.
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- Yeah, i’m the guy who just watch that everyday.
Spoiler
- Ate tons of rounds, run a way because you can’t aim since your optics is destroyed, made an escape and you called that “killing”, every tanks that ate those 30mm rounds should be blinded anyway, who gonna try to stay in a blinded tanks, if that was a success destroying tank, i have not seen any video from FPV/UAV from Ukraine because for each trophies, they gonna post it all day long and everywhere.
Well it didnt run away because the optics were damaged or destoyed and didnt make an escape. Running away and escaping are deliberate acts within their control and would have left the field. Turret lost control, driver lost control and it crashed, all things outside crew control…combat ineffective and that T90M now belongs to ukraine, Whether or not it can be salaveged remains to be seen which is as effective as destroying a tank. A I said, just want to argue semantics
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So now it’s immobilized, yet you called it “killing”, funny. No need to worry for that tanks, 200+ each years gonna replaced it, they can and they will replace it. Best case. tow to emergency reparing field, worst case, abbandon.
and? read my posts, this tank wasnt just abandoned because it was stuck in mud…
17 year's old boys and 2x32kg kettlebells. Do you think 20 kg is a problem for adult healthy man? He won't even notice that.
Same for autoloaders. You can’t use them when 30-40+ km/h because it’ll jam. So speed factor will be a problem for all tanks.
Handling 20kg of weight is not a problem. Handling 20kg of weight in a moving vehicle on rough ground IS a problem. The inertia and the movement of the vehicle does wonders.
Any source on that jamming of the autoloader?
- Yeah, and who “opened” the hatch anyway (already showed in the second and third images), the crew leaved the tank and you still don’t want to count it as “abbandon”.
- You start with a sentences said that M3 killing T-90M like it’s easiy 1 shot it, yes, M3 can diasable any tanks with 30mm shoot straight to the optics and make it blinds, that T-90M did not have any optics/sights left and the commander ordered to leave the tanks after running away, ask your self, do you want to stay in a blinded tanks ?
I think we officially found the cure for “Russian bias”. Just start any topic about western equipment in Ukraine and job done lol
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Should be like that, so many times i saw a topic about some tanks missing models or a bug, some dudes using a T-72 fuel tank ate rounds/Ammo not exploded (and guess what, we, who play again Leo 2/Abrams/Chally 2 ERA and not suffered from it ?) as an example, then “RUssian BIOS” happened not even “BIAS”.
Visit The Sun youtube channels, 19/5/2022 with the title “Ukraine forces unit fire anti-tank missiles at a Russian T-80BVM tank in Kharkiv”
Ask that tanks how it can reload while chasing a anti-tank squad.
You mean moment on 1:10 - 1:45? Speed was clearly less than 30-40+ km/h.
Only the stories of those who served in tank units. If you press the autoloader button at that speed, you’ll get a smack from the commander because high risk of jamming.
If I find it in the documents, I’ll send it to you.
From above, everything look slower then it should be and that tanks alway in “acceleration mode”, meaning not in “stable” state but still firing withouth any trouble.
Please learn to read, if you are going to ignore everything then no point in any discussion. Might as well add you to my ignore list.
The tank was disabled completely and out of control, you keep ignoring this. The crew leaving makes no difference yet you cling to it as if it’s relevant. The tank was abandoned after it was knocked out of combat by enemy fire.
You can keep trying to convince yourself of your own narrative and you will still be wrong.
and the M3 uses a 25mm not a 30mm…which is uncommon to disable or destroy tanks
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The desperate coping and squealing from certain quarters is predictable. Alas, the truth hurts.
Russian technology is about 20-30 years behind that of the West. In some areas even further - electronics is one area where they might as well be in the last century and it is genuinely disturbing how bad RU electrics are on ‘high-end’ products. If the events of the past two years haven’t shown that in crippling detail then we can go back further.
In every confrontation between the military kit and equipment of the West and East from 1945 to 2023 - the Soviet gear has forever been found to be sub-par in design, having inferior ergonomics, poor-quality construction and generally nowhere near as capable as advertised. The numbers speak for themselves.
1000s of tanks and 1000s of AFVs knocked out with a horrifyingly poor survival rate for their crews.
Most Soviet aircraft having a negative kill-loss ratio.
Air Defence Missile cruisers being knocked out by the very AIR THREAT they were meant to combat.
SAM systems that are incapable of even basic IFF routines.
Long before you wheel out the panicked excuses of ‘poorly trained troops’, ‘export models’, blah blah blah. Give it a rest, change the record. Sorry Ivan. Nobody believes it anymore.
The myths have been well and truly busted. Although they do live on in War Thunder - where shoddy build quality, incompetent crews and real-world physics aren’t modelled. Maybe it’s a coping strategy on the part of the devs, maybe it’s some desire to try and put a positive spin on an otherwise hopeless situation.
Whatever the reason - War Thunder is biased very firmly in favour of some nations at the expense of others…
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You have time and mbt with known length. You can ez approximate his speed.
The truth is that the west hasn’t had at least a roughly normal opponent for the last 40-50 years. All the mess in the middle east is the beating of babies. So no one really knows how effective their weapons will be in case of a big war with an opponent of equal capabilities.
I don’t doubt that they have excellent and advanced weapons, but the question is how quickly they can renew them and how cost effective it will be.
Agreed. Sweden bias is out of hands…
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