Why do we need any Thailand though
(Though Thailand interestingly is on the better side, as opposed to Benelux and Norway and Finland and Switzerland and Indonesia)
o7 thanks for the discussion!
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Might be Alvis. I remember seeing a similar reply of his when the thai VT4 controversy was ongoing.
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Because War Thunder is a line up based game with only two modes not needing one and Japan had major gaps.
It was also the only nation allied to Japan during WW2 so it was the best pick before going to nation the only had good relations for part of War Thunder Like they had to.
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Sigh, do we really need to have this conversation again ?
The reason why we have Thailand in Japan is because it helps to bulk Japanese air up at top tier imagine Japan without any subs. No Malaysia, no Thailand, no Indonisia Japan would be dead in the water with only F-15’s and the F-2 that it not even a rank IX either nor any CAS. Thailand fills Japan’s CAS issues, Malaysia & Indonesia solves Japan’s rank IX issues, are we now on the same page again ?
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Only Malaysia could do the job.
The clutter at rank VII can be replaced by FA-50 and Malaysian Hawk, rank VIII has no problem (If you think, spam a few more F-2s), Albatros and F-84 could be replaced by T-1A, Alpha Jet with the T-1B.
Which leaves only the Alpha Jet upgrade I cannot replace, and the group of zero tanks around 10.7 can stay without a CAS.
I get a few more Japanese vehicles, drop some copy paste clutter, and a sub tree is a sub tree anyway you get your Malaysian skins
What with just the A4 pthahaha.
What are you even on lmao
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Oh, I do not need 5 line trees. Especially in air. Who cares about the trillionth F-5 in a tech tree that gives two better missiles per 250K RP.
And yes, with A-4. If it did not have flares I would even replace that too and just keep T-2 / F-1
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Bruh
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The A-4 really feels like a completely superfluous addition
I could have understood its addition, if it had GBUs/Walleyes or even just Bullpups, but it doesn’t
If you have it, the premium AV-8S is pretty much better in all metrics except for raw CAS load and most people probably would rather have a small load on a good plane, rather than a big load on a bad plane
Honestly, the 9.0 Alpha Jet is a better CAS plane than the A-4PTM
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Actually, looking at the history of Indonesias Rafales, there wasn’t even a need for Malaysia at all.
Indonesia received their first Rafales in November last year.
Japan could have gotten a better A-4 through Indonesia and both a Su-30MK2 (and/or Su-27SKM) and the Avon Sabre as well.
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Just my 5 cents: I’d say JP would need sub-trees anyway even if there was at least 1 Japanese CAS plane at every rank VII-IX. Looking at the situation with upper-rank ground and air suggestions, JP has little really unique designs left to fill them. There are still a handful of lower-rank vehicles to add, but realisticaly, if JP received like 2 unique vehicles (not naval) per update w/out sub-trees, there would be no more unique additions for JP left in like 1.5 years. Otherwise we would get a 10th prototype of Type 16 that has a chair moved 1 inch closer to the left or F-2 with 0.02mm smaller wing span and be it called unique vehicles (/s).
So sub-trees also allow to fill TT in long run, while also giving more room for sub-trees to be represented (like the pace at which JP’s subs are represented is much faster than that of Finland in Swedish TT whose last Finnish vehicle was event CT-CV like a year or 2 ago?)
EDIT: nah, there was a Finnish Hornet, but like c’mon
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Yeah without subs Japan would be boring tbh Thailand got CAS and Malaysia & Indonesia got rank IX’s without them Japan would be rough to play
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Wish the additions were actually polished enough, like A-4PTM still missing [crucial] things so people would stop labeling things C&P while some things are not really them (just because they have a familiar indexation in the name)
As well as Thai F-16 being wrong, MiG-29N missing AIM-9L/M… and many other vehicles from other sub-trees
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You’re right, currently the A-4PTM is worse than copy-paste, as it lacks the one thing that could make it useful:
Guided A2G weapons
The Indonesian A-4E would have been a better addition, if they won’t give the PTM Bullpups
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I was somewhat expecting them to go for a three nation solution because that’s what the initial leak said, but Malaysia was very unexpected. I was personally expecting the Philippines instead, with a far more solid connection to Japan.
If I had to guess why it’s Malaysia, I’d say they probably wanted a top tier aircraft at a time when the Indonesian Rafale wasn’t delivered yet, so the Su-30MKM seemed like their only option.
I also think the Philippines would be a great help for a Korean tree to make sure it isn’t just half a tree when it comes, so maybe this was a consideration as well where Malaysia can’t do much with their very top heavy BR distribution and generally low number of options*
The addition has grown on me though. Especially with Malaysia having a very unique approach to military vehicles that I can only hope we will see that properly represented in game at some point.
Some (lesser known) Highlights
Mercedes GD290 mounted with Metis-M ATGM, and equipped with a 360° smoke launcher setup that can be found on most Malaysian ground vehicles.
FV101 Scorpion prototype upgraded by Malaysian KSSB (in cooperation with Thai Chaiseri), featuring a new 215hp diesel engine and Oerlikon 20mm cannon.
PT-91M equipped with thermal camo netting. I know PT-91M is well known, but this camo netting is not.
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The thing is, the first Indonesian Rafales were delivered in November 2025, the update that added Malaysia was the December update of 2025
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The Korean tree would likely have the Philippines, Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos if I were to bet
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I’ve seen people mostly think they would likely go to Chinese TT (with its exports to those countries)
Interesting how we haven’t seen more Vietnamese vehicles… Wasn’t T-34 SPAA the last Vietnamese vehicle added on behalf of Vietnam?
Would be great to finally see them settled somewhere, I want the modernized PT-76-like, BMP-1-like and T-54Ms be there
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Yeah, it’s more of a guess from me. Though I remember some statement about them planning a year ahead, which would again line up with a time of no Indonesian Rafale existing.
Either that or they might not have wanted a Rafale F.4 yet, which would be slightly better than the current F.3R
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