Next Major Update - Rumor Roundup & Discussion (Part 1)

Would love the MiG-31B instead of the regular first production MiG-31, it’s mostly the same so you get the same experience but you’d also get the option to use the better R-33S missiles

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I mean, yeah. Kind of helps the progression: MiG-31B → MiG-31BM. Just rolls off the tongue.

BR 13.3 perhaps? Just throw it in there with the Su-30s

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With the R-33 you get 120 km of estimated max range, with the R-33S you get around 160 km, so it’s a closer fight with the F-14D and its AIM-54C+.

I was thinking 12.7 or 13.0, since its self defense dogfight weapon would be the R-60M.

Hell nah

You can’t tell me that it would be worse than the SHar FA.2

Indonesia is a big contributing factor to why I didn’t quit this game four years ago. Before this I was getting a bit burnt out from all games having the same vehicles I already heard of from the same handful of nations.
I think it’s amazing to see War Thunder as a place for nations like this, since really no other game does.

That said I do think that subtree implementation is bad. As a concept I like it, but it also seems like a lot of wasted potential as it stands now. It really should avoid feeling like it’s just one nation (in this case Japan) with scattered added content and funny flags attached, instead it should be presented more like multiple distinct nations that are allowed to cooperate in game.

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Are you ready to do so again?

Sub-tree folders + updated matchmaking for a mix of main nations/sub nations vs others or sub vs sub etc would be peak

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Well I’m not saying that, but the thing is not only would it get R-60Ms for self defense in close quarter dogfights, it would likely only get 12 cartridges of countermeasures as well. The F-14A is 12.7 and the F-14B is 13.0, so it would make sense.

Yeah, and that’s not a good thing either.

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BR nightmare: when flight performance (in a straight line, no better than the MiG-25’s turning circle of Siberia) + other specs makes munition balancing a nightmare

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I mean if you have captured/lend lease things too so should we remove them too because it “ruins” the flavour of the tree ? How far do you want to purify tech trees

I respect your opinion. As you said though, the implementation is very bad. I think they could’ve simply added those nations in a new and separate tree to avoid tarnishing Japan. It didn’t need immersion-ruining copy paste.

Seeing unique nations added to the game such as Yugoslavia and Poland would’ve been a lot better.

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What do you mean by “you”?

Yep. Especially in modes that don’t have lineups I would prefer operator matchmaking over techtree matchmaking.

Just splitting operators into different groups sorted by faction (for example axis/allies, nato/warsaw, etc.), as well as neutral nations (that can just go on either side, but not both at the same time) could be nice.

For example if I queue alone with an East German MiG, I think the game should try and match that with USSR and against even West German aircraft. Of course in a squad with friends there can always be combinations of East/West aircraft again, but that’s no different from making a squad with US/USSR either and can just lead to the mixed battles this leads to now too.

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It’s a difficult situation tbh. The MiG-31B’s advantages are that it’s going to have a PESA radar, good long-range missiles and impressive speed, but its disadvantages are notable as well.

It’s really only difficult because of BR compression to be completely honest

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My guess Smin & Gaijin for in part.

As War thunder isn’t World of Tanks but a game based around operators nations.

Which is a key part of War Thunders I’d identity. That allows for the proper representation of hundreds of thousands of under representing Nations and vehicles that exist in video games.

Even for some of the more famous vehicles (like the CF-105) are lucky if they are playable even in one game.

I would have quit years ago if War Thunder was same boring 3-5 nations (WW2 “major nations”) every other game is. Heck I nearly did until they added the Skink which gave me a goal to collect everything Canadian flag and built vehicle in game, which lead me to grind every tree and still need to grind more for my collection. As these “undeserving nations” have go so far to equip major nations with their designs and tech.

It’s almost like many nations deserve to be represented in video games but one super power makes it seem like they don’t (to the point of claiming credit of their good actions)

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Thousands await the arrival of the Polish tech tree 💪

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Maybe it’s just because most people don’t really care about vehicles built by those nations

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forgot to put if, but if the subtree hate argument stems from “foreign/REDFOR” equipment shouldn’t be in bluefor nations because it ruins immersion then that rule should extend into lend lease and captured vehicle’s shouldn’t it ?

something happening irl: god that fire is strong

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Yes, then they will proceed to call the nation copy and paste

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