it needs to hold its ground not be OP it cant hold much of anything but a simple dogfight including M-346FA is better and that’s a lower BR its just a bit slow but turns great
its worse it’s doesn’t have much going for it you can spam in BVR do top down and get kills but that doesn’t prove much the f16XL is irrelivant now and wont be good in a while I’m not angry about the nerfs but it got moved up then nerfed things are stacking for f16XL so much I would consider it dead
I mean yeah there are some strong lower tier vehicles that are great at dogfighting. The amount of Mig 21s I see try to dogfight a Me 163 or a saggitario 2 and lose will never not be funny, it’s the same deal with jets losing to prop planes in a dogfight so not really a solid comparison on that front.
But that kinda all those vehicles have going for them and they are at high BRs because of their strength and flaws.
As for holding its ground it literally has the same weapons as the Viggen, but with a better flight model speed, RWR, radar is iffy I’d say they are close between flying both vehicles
It didn’t get moved up solely, basically all the 13.0 vehicles with fox 3 moved up, I wouldn’t bother using that in an argument about that vehicle.
In what way is it worse say compared to the Tornado F3? Fox 3 count? they both get 4, over all missile count? yeah I can see that as the Tornado gets 4, agility? defiantly not the Tornado is a brick with wings, radar? it depends in what aspect but over all they seem quite similar with the tornados being slightly better.
so im curious how compared to the Tornado F3 (Late) its worse
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The strong 13.0 with fox 3s*
things like the AV-8B+, Shar FA2, and J8F stayed at 13.0 due to being a decent bit worse then the tornado and F4F ICE
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Yeah that’s true I knew some vehicles didn’t go up.
How about the Bison that’s 13.3 now with what 4x R77 and R73 but on a mig 21 platform which gets eaten by F16s
answer this first is it worse or better than F-4s at 13.3
if a jet loses to a prop in dog fight that’s a skill issue
I mean you just said the equivalent of that as point for the XL to move down because it lost a turn fight with a lower BR vehicle
So I guess it’s a skill issue?
quote me where i said it should go up or down I will wait
I mean I cant say as I dont own the jet
but looking at it stat wise, it gets a better radar with the same amount of Fox 3s, but lacks IRCCM missiles and has 30 less counter measures, but makes up for it with a far better flight model and better thrust to weight ratio. So over all I would say the plane is a little stronger but balanced enough that they stay both at 13.3
I forgot about the Bison if you wanna talk about bad flight model and bad radar look no further lmao
Brother this entire conversation has been how you believe it should go down. You’re the one saying that when you fly the XL you barely hold your own against M-346FA.
Sorry that’s reserved for the XL the Bison and Tornado are like the Rafale next to the XL which is like the B52 on flight performance
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so its better meaning F16XL is irrelevant now that’s the whole point you may have fun with it but its just a struggle
so strawman?
This is truly one of the most smooth brain discussions on the forum lol
only because your in it
…what? I said the F-16XL was better, with them both being 13.3 worthy…? are we even reading the same message anymore lol