As a Dutch person, whilst I understand the frustrations of the French playerbase, and definitely fairly so, I was extremely happy to see arguably the most unique Dutch tank that could be added actually be added. My dad had a lot of fun stories of his time serving alongside a squad of Pruttels (He was a Leo gunner in the 80s).
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You know it was a good update when all the forum dwellers are gone, too busy playing the new vehicles lol
It is indeed quite silent here.
(I’ll be joining that silence soon too again, since my poor game PC of ten years entered its twilight days last August. I just got lucky enough to play some games last weekend, but I don’t think thats gonna happen again sadly…)
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Always pre-plan around 2 to 5 years before the death of your PC, that I avoided my silence
Absolute peak Fulmar gameplay
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Going back on the whole Benelux subtree, I’d say my main issue with the way the ground branch was added is complete bollox as well. Compared to most (if not all ?) other full fledged subtree that have been added to other nations (includign the air branch of Benelux), Gaijin has always decided to add an entire branch of (mostly) copy paste vehicles at introduction, before going back to a more normal addition calendar.
For Ground Benelux, it seems that this was added bit by bit just to justify the devs not having made anything for France ground (in general, so both french and subtree), and thus adding some quick copypaste to reduce the work load - heck, even some of the iconic dutch leopard skins are only available in the sweden tree for some reason (orange leo 2A6), because Gaijin can’t be bothered for some reason.
And honestly, i’m not really buying the usual Smin answer that feedback is taken into account but it takes time. These issues for french ground additions started well before Benelux was even a thing, but got worse in the past few years.
For example, in 2024, France got a total of 3 unique vehicles : the Vextra 105, AMX 13 VTT and VBCI
In the same year, 4 copy paste vehicles were added : 3 leopard 2 and the squadron CV90 35. There’s also the M44 which i’m not sure i’d call a “copy paste” in the sense that it was added at the same time as the other nations
In 2025, it was basically the same with 3 unique vehicles : The MSC, SAMP/T and EBRC Jaguar. Meanwhile we saw 2 more copy pastes (DF 105, M48), and 3 vehicles that were added to both France and other nations (Clovis, M55 and AMD.35 (PaK 38)) - to note that SAMPT is a bit different from the italian one so i don’t count it here.
And then 2026, the best of the best, where we got a grand total of 1 unique vehicle (ELC 901 - event), accompanied by 2 pure copy pastes (Leopard 1A5 and Bayard premium), 1 basically copy paste (Cheetah) and yet another vehicle that germany also got (EMBT) - and is famously bad according to basically everyone.
So, as a quick recap, in the past 3 years, in terms of unique researchable additions, we got a grand total of 6 and unique vehicles - none this year. We got at the same time 9 vehicles that are either copy paste or basically just reskined of vehicles that are already present in other TT in one form of another.
So yeah, I’m still waiting to see when will the devs actually get our feedback and start acting on it
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Wait did they add the ESSM?
Id need to double check but like, thats somewhat par for the course? Like italy i think only got 7/8 unique tech tree ground vehicles and israel and japan are probably similar
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I heard of Pop goes the weasel & Diesel but not an aircraft carrier
How is the SAMPT not counted here, but the CV9035NL is counter as C&P when that is also a bit different from the CV9035DK?
I don’t personally mind the PRTL addition in itself, I’m just very miffed with the way it was added.
As a pure gameplay standpoint, France has lacked a lower tier SPAA for years now. The AMX 30 S DCA had been overtiered for months after they removed the APDS belt and made the 8.3 lineup pretty annoying. 8.3 was a pretty good BR at the time, limiting uptieres signficantly compared to 8.7, but just didn’t have any decent SPAA available
But then, they finally add the PRLT just after the BR changes where the 8.3 lineup gets destroyed, and the AMX 30 S DCA is finally brought back down to 8.3 - where it sits absolutely alone. Meanwhile 7.7, arguably the most played BR for France (since no one plays french top tier anymore visibly) - still lacks a decent SPAA solution, stuck with a 6.3 SPAA.
Overall, good addition imo, just too late and killing the usability of the AMX in the process.
I honestly wasn’t very sure about the SAMP/T. Honestly, i should consider it as a partial copy paste as well - since the FM of the vehicle doesnt impact the usability at all - after all, you are not supposed to face enemies. I think i just think differently of it since it’s a top tier researchable vehicle. But if i count it that way, it drops the unique additions down to 5, making things even worse.
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That’s definitely not c&p, completely different base, also a joint venture.
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I just hope you guys won’t whine about it too much, so Gaijin won’t consider my OF-40 PRTL “unnecessary” addition)
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What are it’s stats do we know?
Still got a fusing issue, unlike say an R-73, a MICA will pull perfectly to hit a target in a HOBs fight but often won’t fuse, which is very frustrating, and hopefully gets fixed with the addition of the MICA IR
What counterparts are there exactly? I don’t think any (top tier) aircraft still missing here has a direct counterpart in game.
Bread ?
So, when will bomb collision, from release be fixed?
Since the bug reporting forums just… dont work. ima add things here.
as a singular excample of a single very ignored plane even tho it was featured in the promotional material for the last update.
the jas 39E still
has incorrect flare count in pre flight menu Community Bug Reporting System
Displays showing the wrong artificial horizon. literaly everywhere. Community Bug Reporting System
belly pylons are still the wrong kind and uses weird rails on drop pylons for some reason.
Landing gear still clips through the side Community Bug Reporting System
and the instructor is broken and limiting the aircraft even more than some planes that wingrip at slightly higher performance Community Bug Reporting System (fixed but poorly communicated)
all issues gaijin has just not seen or ignored or not fixed
Note that the clipping issue was accepted 6 months ago but nothing has been done. yet they featured it in marketing of this update (even tho it had zero updates done to it) and avoided any angle that would show it
And this is just ONE SINGLE PLANE and issues that mostly have been here since its introduction
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