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I have a question for you now, do you know if any other ARH use internal GPS for better accuracy?

pl-15e ik does

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I wish. I have not seen anything indicating even the Meteor as possessing GPS guided navigation or even the MICA NG. GPS navigation would really help with long-range shots for little to no inertial deviation, and the missiles are otherwise very dependent on datalink at longer ranges.

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do you know how GPS helps improve accuracy over typical midcourse updates?

pl-12ae also has INS/satellite (machine text translation cause chinese is horrendous with translators).
So china will have 2 good “next gen” arh missiles, though pl-15 is more maneuverable with more range (cause dual pulse) over pl-12a so there’s little point of bringing pl-12a lol

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The PL-12AE air-to-air missile is a medium-to-long range radar air-to-air missile with the characteristics of long range, high guidance accuracy, and strong anti-interference ability.

It can undertake beyond-visual-range air combat missions and is used to attack fighters, bombers, drones, cruise missiles and other aerial targets.

The carrier platforms are Xiaolong, Menglong, large drones, etc.;

  • the launch method is rail and catapult
  • the maximum available g load is 38
  • the attack distance is ≥120km
  • the guidance method is a combination of strapdown inertial navigation/Beidou satellite + two-way data link correction + active radar terminal guidance
  • the missile length is 3939mm, the missile diameter is 203mm, and the mass is ≤214kg
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comparison of pl-15 and pl-12a (pl-12a is slightly smaller length wise and thicker girth wise irl but due to being closer it looks slightly bigger)

Yes. In-game models it pretty accurately.

In-game there’s two types of inertial drift. Let’s say you have AIM-120C-8 with the same motor as AIM-120D but the AIM-120C-8 doesn’t have GPS aided navigation while the AIM-120D do.

You carry both the AIM-120C-8 and AIM-120D and see a target flying towards you from over 100km away. You fire both missiles at that same target and then shut off your radar and do a 180 turn, so both missiles are flying blind towards a certain target until it can get in range of its seeker.

The AIM-120D would be flying a straight shot like it is flying in a straight line towards the target and would lock on if the target didn’t manuever. The AIM-120C-8 would be having little drifts to the right/left/up/down and theoretically could miss the target completely even if the target never maneuvered.

IRIS-T SLM is a missile that has GPS aided navigation if you’d like to see its inertial drift in the files. It is modeled as having no inertial drift speed at all.

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oh so its really useful for long range engagments to increase the distance you can turn away at while still being sure the missiles seeker will lock onto the target?

So for wt purposes it wouldn’t really matter since most of the time missiles aren’t shot from above 30km

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Yes while preserving energy because it actually goes to the last known predicted point with no deviation, so the missile does not have to re-adjust and lose more energy than necessary.

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Arguably it could still have some utility since missiles could have reduced lock ranges against notching targets or rear aspect targets, it could also have some utility against future stealth targets.

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even then being able to just turn away earlier is still nice for missiles whose only advantage is range

theoretically does this mean you could use an AIM-120 for SEAD since it has moving target GPS capability?

Theoretically I suppose it’s possible but I don’t think it’s programmed with that capability even if it’s technologically possible.

In the meantime though, could you find out for me if AIM-9X Block 2 has GPS aided navigation IRL? @quartas121

they used GPS telemetry equipment on the missile for data collection during testing, but I couldnt find anything about GPS aided navigation

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I want this level of camo customization…but for Aircraft!!! Pattern size, rotation, weathering quality ext ext

Do you have that source

I was wondering, we have now got proper infantry PoV scale in war thunder haven’t we, so why not use this sight and movement to explore vehicles inside of our hangers for real, I mean imagine walking around huge battleships to the tiny L3/33 that would be cool.

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I was thinking about a battleship map for infantry btw XD