wonder if Block 6 has DL since its meant to be used on the F-35 with LOAL, the brochure is also only for the early ASRAAMs I think
How I understood it is that the datalink is between fighter aircraft, and now Python 5 can receive targeting data from a different aircraft within the tactical network than the launcher, not that the Python 5 itself received datalink.
cant LOAL be done without datalink?
If you look at the fading part, you can see that they say that there is no need to install a new transceiver on the aircraft, as the same radio that provides data to the plane provide it to the missile.
It seems to be a broad network connecting ground and air vehicles, as well as missiles, so in theory a ground radar could guide a P5
yes
Nah, its a specific upgrade for CAMM.
Its a shame. Blk6 might, but its not been stated anywhere.
It says here that as a consequence of this upgrade, fighter jets within the tactical network can provide uplink to the missile. Nothing about guiding. And what you stated just is more evidence that it’s talking about fighter to fighter datalink since an additional antenna isn’t required to be installed on the fighter aircraft.
Yes, firstly by just dumb self search modes, which I believe some missiles in game should already have?
(Warthunder lacks any proper self search modes, which is annoying cause some missiles should make good use of self search modes even while on the rail).
But basically yeah, as long as you have inertial guidance you can have LOAL. Stuff like the AAM-5 still have 360 degree threat scopes, just by the missile launching then guiding towards where the HMD is pointing, with a self search mode then activating. Although this would kinda not be great in WT cause again, WT lacks proper search mode modeling for munitions.
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Uplink to missile. Uplink is a differnt way to say datalink.
To be precise, one way DL transmitting to.
Derby ER brochure
Well how else would they word it that the Python 5 is capable of receiving initial targeting information from other fighter jets within the network?
This part only
Adding the part about Uplink to the missile
As well as adding it provides Uplink to other missiles
Makes it seem to me that it is talking about to missile DL.
Do y’all even believe that LOAL would be added?
We already have LOAL in game on for example IRIS-T (base one, no DL), so yeah
I mean, that’s for a SAM
Dunno, I feel like they are gonna go the same way as they did for ATGMs with LOAL for air to air missiles
I do believe they will, I don’t see a reason why not. I know it’s been speculated that next-gen IR missiles would be limited to LOBL, but it doesn’t make much sense to me to basically introduce sidegrades of R-27ET essentially.
I mean, it’s all ready most the way there, I just hope they add proper self search modes, particularly if they do add shared aperture sensing for IRs with datalink, it will give non datalink gen 5s a much more realistically even playing field.
Basically, when the track is lost due to countermeasures or interfearence, instead of just going for said countermeasures, the missile should enter a search pattern using inertial information to search a wide area around where the target is expected to be.
LOAL IR A2A missiles do work, i’ve tested them in user missions, the only thing i’ve noticed (with them and no lock required ARH launches). Is that they’re very easy to just, miss.
IE they really do need proper self search modes imo.
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I can see two reasons why not
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It’s too hard for Gaijin to bother with it
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They might see it as being imbalanced or bad for gameplay
(I don’t think it would necessarily be bad for gameplay btw, it’s just something I could absolutely see them say, based on what they did with ATGMs)
Do you happen to have a link to a user mission to test them?
I’d be very interested to see how they uccrently work
If that would be their reasoning, why wait several years to add basically something that would compete with R-27ET though? They could have introduced it much sooner since it would have much less effective ranges.
It’s very buggy, and clearly not in a finished state, as while you can force the seeker to receive inertial designations, you can’t activate it outside of normal means. So either you can force the missile to have a permnantly active seeker, or you can trick the missile into activating by turning on then off your radar.
Fun fact, that second method is actually close to a bug you can do in game. Basically on F-15s with RAM mode, you can lock a target in STT, turn on a SARH seeker, then swap to RAM mode, and the missile while fire even while receiving no guidance. Sadly no 7Ps on the F-15 to actually make use of it though. Fun little quirk of RAM not having illumination, but still technically being a radar designation source type.
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