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[XSpaz1NOuTX-psn]

“Nato ERA is capable of stopping up to 30mm cannon rounds”

Gaijin: "Ah so 30mm of kinetic armor yes? "

lmao this has always made me laugh

[Morvran]

Yeah…

Or

Primary source:

Challenger 2 has STANAG level 5 protection

Gaijin:

@OrsonES

When comparing to other vehicles that are equipped with Armor Shield R, what’s not taken into account is the possibility that the design of the armor package may differ from vehicle to vehicle depending on the primary protection of each vehicle. The current implementation of this ERA in the game does not contradict with documents presented in the report, so we’re not going to make any changes or revisions to its protective capabilities.

Because STANAG rating means different things form vehicle to vehicle apparently

[CollectorOfSins]

I love how Gaijin saw the oplot and was like, “Yo this ain’t going to the russian TT? Yeah. Ok nerf the ERA and don’t even extend the ERA to the engine, just like halfway. Oh and use like the sniper configuration for the vertical transverse. Don’t give it the same as the other russian tanks. Peace out.”

[XSpaz1NOuTX-psn]

But its funny it actually got modeled fairly decently numbers wise afaik, which I was fully NOT expecting

Though I am sure its missing a decent bit of protection

[Pheonix_RX01]

Armor is a balancing factor, its why gaijin pushs armor as a suggestion as stated by Smin when we asked about the MK.IV missing its Stanag level 5 or 6 armor compared to in game where any 20mm AP from WW2 can go through the turret while still weighing 38t

[Morvran]

Yeah… its pretty clear that:

@magazine2

Having said this, we always analyze feedback and will change things if it improves progression through the game, improves balance, or makes gameplay more interesting and enjoyable. This is as long as the changes don’t contradict the principles of realism we want to maintain in the game, however.

Simply was an untrue statement.

[Pheonix_RX01]

Armor on the CV90 MKIV is incorrect // Gaijin.net // Issues Community Bug Reporting System

Standard gaijin response when they dont wanna add historical features since they want it to be a fictional way that fits their view of the vehicle

[XSpaz1NOuTX-psn]

At this point I wouldnt be suprised if some fictional vehicles are more realistic then vehicles that exist that can be reported on. (Not including those Russian Magic Fantasy ships that piss me off to the ends of the Earth)

[Michael-IR]

@CollectorOfSins

don’t even extend the ERA to the engine, just like halfway

Afaik ERA only exists for the frontal half of the side skirts to protect the crew and autoloader from these 45* hits. Engine compartment is only covered by spaced armor. Oplot is indeed lacking some ERA but it should only be extended for this section which as of now is empty in game.

[BasherBenDawg8]

[Michael-IR]

@CollectorOfSins

Oh and use like the sniper configuration for the vertical transverse. Don’t give it the same as the other russian tanks.

Isnt it exactly as other Russian tanks tho? I’m checking it now in game and it got the traverse speed of T-80U-E1 which makes perfect sense as all these fancy high-end Russian stabilisers are very modern and have nothing to do with Oplot development which still reuses some legacy T-80 components.

[CollectorOfSins]

A while ago, I saw someone post a source saying that the devs used a number from a brochure specifically for sniper mode. I think they made a bug report but forgot what’s the status on it. You could be right though, its complicated.

[Michael-IR]

It might have better traverse speeds irl but what it got in game is still great considering T-80U-E1 is the 2nd best Russian T-80 when it comes to gun handling.

[luque13]

Even modern and current Russian tanks are unable to fire on the move and reliably hit targets. They are always stationary when engaging accurately.

Take that 2A4 that destroyed that Russian convoy it never stopped moving destroying the convoy and later it was disabled by an FPV drone.

Simply put Russian tanks should not be as accurate as NATO tanks due to the limitations in Russian FCS systems and gun laying/stabilisation.

[XSpaz1NOuTX-psn]

@luque13

Simply put Russian tanks should not be as accurate as NATO tanks due to the limitations in Russian FCS systems and gun laying/stabilisation.

“But this is warthunder it isnt a Simulator game!”

Meanwhile:

@Morvran_

This is as long as the changes don’t contradict the principles of realism we want to maintain in the game, however.

[Michael-IR]

@luque13

They are always stationary when engaging accurately.

So are NATO tanks? Noone wants to risk firing on the move in real life unless its suppressing fire or you’re outnumbered and need to GTFO ASAP. As for the Leopard I havent seen it but what I said prob still applies.

I dont know how does this relate in any way to Oplot tho.

[luque13]

No NATO tanks have the choice, we have M1s engaging tanks while traveling at near full speed.
Russian tanks have poor stabilisation just look at other weapon systems.
BMPT, BMP 2/3, BTR and KA-52 all of these systems show when firing the gun is not controlled and is allowed to recoil and shake around.

Then compare the 25mm on the M3 as it snipes positions or the CV-90s 40mm.

[Michael-IR]

Also ERA inserts here @CollectorOfSins . You can see there are 6 sections for ERA per side. As I said we’re currently lacking one of the blocks in game.

[joshje100]

With infantry coming at some point Gaijin when AGM-114R-9X?

[Michael-IR]

@luque13

we have M1s engaging tanks while traveling at near full speed.

Oh do we?

@luque13

Russian tanks have poor stabilisation just look at other weapon systems.
BMPT, BMP 2/3, BTR and KA-52

So now we’re comparing autocannons with MBT guns interesting.

@luque13

Then compare the 25mm on the M3 as it snipes positions or the CV-90s 40mm.

You’re forgetting that Russian 30mm guns are area weapons meant to suppress with their volume of fire. If you want more accurate fire these autocannons have specialised low ROF modes and sure NATO equivalents would still be more accurate but that got nothing to do with stabilisers but barrel harmonics.