That hasn’t been a big concern for them in the past lol
Fair, but don’t you dare complain about still being limited to SAL when they get added
They sure as hell can lmao
I will continue to complain about the ahistorical modeling of a weapon system.
Brimstone 2s will kinematically perform similar to KH-38MT and AASMs. Both of which gain full access to their FnF capabilities which are both highly questionable.
SAL Brimstone 2s should have been added with the Tornado GR4 when they refused to add MMW, adding them 15 months later on a new Typhoon doesnt change the absence in FnF capability that the Typhoons should have or the current performance of the GR4 or SLE with SAL Brimstone 1s.
Well will it really tho? No. The brimstone can pull crazy G
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Which is relevant how?
Im talking more about range. Brimstone 2 is around 50-60km. Which is onpar to both the KH-38MT and AASM. Though still substantially slower than KH-38s
Is that a Michael (MICA) ?
EDIT : Actually a Magic II, damn grandpa still gets it
If you need to dodge anti air and dont have time to get your missiles of the rails you dodge and go low ( i would assume, I don’t have any top tier planes so im not sure)
And then you would get close to the battlefield, pop up and fire your missiles. The kh38mt is like a boat and the brimstones are like a lightweight track car, you can fly very close and very fast and still hit your targets with brimstones,
My point was not denying the brimstones to the game, my point was that the brimstones are better than the kh38, plus u get 18 of them right? So the brimstones (mmw) are better than the kh38 in my opinion.
You said they are similar and I don’t agree
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You’re kind wrong on the 123A, Sweden plans to buy Leo 2A8’s called STRV 123, and also upgrade the current 122’s to the 123 standard, so more like 3 Leos.
Upgraded 122’s
Swe 123
Nor 2A8
Sweden dont suffer and will not
In this regard, they wont be any different to the Brimstone 1s already ingame, just with a 200% increased range, which means much better time to target.
You still have to keep your laser on the target for them to actually hit and a direct hit doesnt always mean a kill due to the tiny warhead size, Also fired from long range, they will still probably take longer to actually get to the target than the KH-38.
KH-38MTs will still be the best fixed wing CAS weapon by a long way,
Which is a reaosnable compromise for not having FnF, if we ever get FnF of course another form of mitigation would be required.
MMW Brimstones, sure, they are a lot better. But only in seeker vs seeker and not necessarily kinematically. But we aren’t talking about MMW Brimstones, we are purely talking about Brimstone 2s vs KH-38, in this case, still SAL Only Brimstone 2s.
KH-38s still have:
- Larger warhead
- FnF with IOG
- much better long range Time to target, and probably not that far off close range time to target.
The ability for the Brimstone to turn hard is kinda irrelevant. Im not expecting any tank to be able to kinematically defeat an AGM that can actually turn even slightly, which both the KH–38MT and AASM can do. The only real advantage of an AGM being able to pull hard is that they can fire without needing their nose pointing directly at the target.
In terms of range though, Brimstone 1 is at the moment in the 15km mark. AASM and KH-38MT can be comfortably used at the maximum FNF range of 30km or using the other versions with GNSS, well out to 60km.
Brimstone 2s would also be able to use them at similar ranges. Firing them from beyond 30km and ducking into 30km to Laser the target. You would no longer be required to fire them at 10km away from the target, which was bad enough when all you had to deal with was a Pantsir, now its practically impossible and the better tactic is usually to loft PW4s from long range and only use Brimstone 1s if/when you complete SEAD
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I dont get it, never mind you added to it
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Yeah sorry for not clarifying i meant, that the brimstone (mmw) would be better than kh38
Yep, it would be, though only in seeker vs seeker context.
and in this im purely talking about SAL Brimstone 2s giving us a missile that would at least match the long range capability that other nations have. It would give the Typhoon (and if we could successfully argue for it) the Tonkas far better flexibility
And in the Air RB/SB context, maybe a reason to ever bother equipping them
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Also why do they? I mean they probably have options but if not i guess its fine not having anything, just how it goes.
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Gajin could also just artificially make the brimstone ir guidance instead of mmw like they did with jagm (although that one had laser, ir and mmw so i get why) cause it would be to op, (according to everyone and them) cause we don’t have multispectral smoke ingame
Ahh its indeed LD-2000 I got the names mixed up. But I still doubt it’ll be added
Yeah… There is a lot they could do. its not even the first time theyve invented a seeker for a missile and the number of reports for others is just crazy.
Anyway…
SAL Brimstones whilst being 15 months overdue would be a good addition to come with the AESA equipped Typhoons and if they continue to pretend MMW doesnt exist, we can maybe get Spear-Glides or Spice-250s instead, would be at least some form of FnF. Also GNSS Spear-3s are also an option for something with a little more stand-off power than a SAL Brimstone
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InB4 thay add 4 Mavericks and call it a day
Are spear glides similar to spice-250? Spice-250 are really good from what ive seen
Yeah, it is unfortunate that the one unique aspect of the system probably won’t be implemented.
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You joke, but ive yet to see any evidence the Typhoon ever add GBU-62s. I think they just went JDAM=JDAM and slapped them on as a bodge attempt to add some limited form of stand-off. Though they kinda suck to use because of the M1 release limit and the Typhoon is really hard to get below M1