Fair enough on that then, but still. F-14 wasnt exactly going up against peer aircraft. To use WT has a basis of comparison. it was a 13.0 fighting 10.3-11.7s. Of course it got a lot of kills.
The IRIAF we have is very different from the F-14A they used back then, no sedjeel or fakour
Still a 12.7 then
Mb it was 5 they shot down a Mi-8 during Lebanon
405 error sigh
What the Shar did was just as bad if not worse if talking difference in ability tbh
That’s the point. The F-15 and F-14 were just advanced for their time. There’s not an equivalent because they were made to be better than adversaries. War isn’t supposed to be a coinflip.
Anyway my point still stands it’s a propaganda piece they know this otherwise they won’t set up recruitment stalls for every time a top gun movie airs. We don’t do that in Britain when a Spitfire is shown or a sea harrier.
Not really?
FRS1e is 10.7 (and stronger than most of the SHars that actually handled A2A combat as they have CMs)
The Daggers were upgraded Neshers which are 10.0 in game, so Id assume 10.3 if added. They had Mirage 3Es which are 10.7 and A-4s which are between 8.7-9.0. So those are lower, but the SHars went 23-0 whilst outnumber 10-1 and with major tactical disadvnatages.
To use WT again. It would be like if 2x FRS1es took on 20 enemy aircraft ( a mix of Neshers, Mirage 3Es and A-4s), with the Shars having no markers and the enemy team having markers and the Shars winning 20-0.
Gotta admit, that is rather impressive.
Wdym tactical disadvantage. Argentine jets barely had enough fuel to make it there and back, no countermeausres vs 9L and final gen rear aspect AIM-9, decent radars, the Argentine jets were in much worse condition too
Right… So saying “but look, it got the most kills” doesnt really mean much in terms of actual performance against comprable airframes nor in WT does it mean the F-14 should somehow be OP
So does the B-2 that doesn’t make it a good fighter
The Argentines had supersonic aircraft, an excellent land based radar on the Falklands that gave them a huge tactical advantage and enough pilots to mean that they at least got decent rest between sorties.
Both the SHars and the Argentine aircraft were low on fuel when they met. Most of the SHars did not have CMs either. Only a few on Hermes had them and they were mostly tasked with ground attack. Those on invincible tasked with air defence, did not.
Aim-9Ls were an advantage, although not a single shot was made that an Aim-9G couldnt have also handled.
Blue Fox was not a decent radar for the conflict.
Argentine jets were in a much worst conditon (though the Mirages I think were actually in pretty good condition) but the pilots of the SHars were doing 2+ sorties per day for 3 months straight. They were exhausted by the end of it (like for example Sharkey Ward accidentally firing an Aim-9L instead of dropping a bomb at the start of a CAP sortie)
Idk to me it just sounds like you’re saying the F-14 is the most iconic plane of all time because I can’t find a single instance of this happening anywhere else in military aviation. Sure, it’s a “propaganda piece” but your original point was it wasn’t the most iconic. It’s also next to the most combat proven airplane in the 4th generation.
Hu?
What are you on about?
By that logic, the Tornado Gr1 is vastly superior to the F-111 in ground attack because the Tornado Gr1 has more A2A kills.
I don’t know what you’re trying to drag this to, but I’m talking about real life. Not Warthunder.
Not once did I allude to it’s performance in WT???
Don’t think they even had fuel to spare to go supersonic. Just having Supersonic jets doesn’t mean much since the British also had radars on their ships so Shar could just be positioned and they had AAM to close the gap. The difference between the Argentines and British is that they had carriers closer than the Argentines had airfields to safely return to
Eh, idk the US doesn’t need everything it makes nor should anyone else. I just want minor nations to get up to the level of the US by any means possible and then we can start to ask about X, Y and Z.
That’s the opposite of what I mean. Typhoon being able to carry out basic airstrikes does not make it a good fighter just like B-2 being able to carry out airstrikes does not make it a good fighter
US and Britain have lost their title to the slowest vehicle cause holy hell im gonna lose it.
I agree (Although F-15SE would be cool)… But how does this retain to the discussion that’s been going on for 20+ minutes now? Unless you’re somehow saying the F-14D shouldn’t be included in the US TT?