I have Baltimore, Talismanned, at that! But… 6.0, in 7.0 uptiers… I don’t know…
I hope it’s for the Fins as it could add more to their sub such as,
Stugs III G at 4.0
ISU-152 at 4.0 again
And a KV-1A
I think the KV-1A is different to the B iirc. But this can be a good pack for the Swedish and Fins at the same time.
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They have buffed to 5.7. Go try it
Ok I’ve added more to the list of things we can expect within the year, the stuff I’ve added are from CM No.4
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my bad, I actually mean structure.
these SAMs has simpler structure allows much more propellant.
Honestly I’m not opposed at all if the Gulio Ceasear is the next naval event ship. Italy needs some love.
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The KV-1A is the KV-1 (1942) we already have, it’s just the finnish name for it.
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Idk if anyone’s already responded to this but if France/Italy (who really don’t have a 7.0) don’t get anything when Yamato/Iowa/Vanguard get added are gonna be way outclassed.
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i’m willing to bet the big ships armor isn’t going to matter much in maps where everyone spawns 15km from each other
but in the end you are right, Litto or Richie are more reasonable additions
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ah i see
the absence of seeker you mean ?
I’m curious about what kind of new SAMs we can expect. I’ve been trying to list some of them, but there’s often a huge jump in performance depending on the nation. Here’s what I have so far:
USA: SLAMRAAM
Depending on the variant, SLAMRAAMs have anywhere from 15-20km range (120A/B) all the way up to ~40km range (SLAMRAAM-ER).
Germany: IRIS-T SLM
Germany never used the IRIS-T SLS, but they did use the SLM. The problem here is the SLM supposedly has a range of ~40km, which is a HUGE step up from what we currently have. It would put it on par with the SLAMRAAM-ER, but I’m unsure about Gaijin adding something so strong this soon. There are, however, plenty of other multi-vehicle systems available with comparable ranges, so it’s possible we get these longer range SAM systems.
Variations of the IRIS-T SL
Russia: SA-6, SA-11, SA-17, and/or SA-27
There are a variety of different SAMs that Russia could get. The range on their missiles tends to hit marks of ~24km, ~42km, and ~70km maximum ranges when targeting aircraft. I do not know nearly enough about the intricacies of each of these SAMs, I am just aware that there are plenty of options for Gaijin to fill more and more missiles in if necessary.
Buk-M1-2 (SA-17)
Britain: CAMM Sky Sabre
From what I was able to find, there are various CAMM system modifications, ranging from 25km to >40km (CAMM-ER) to >100km (CAMM-MR).
Japan: Tan-SAM Kai II, maybe Type 03 Chū-SAM?
The Tan-SAM would have ~15km range Type-11 missiles, which could be rather low compared to the rest of the missiles here (aside from maybe baseline SLAMRAAMs). The Type 03 makes a huge jump to >50km though, and I’m not aware of any in-between vehicles. Feel free to let me know if there are better options for Japan.
Tan-SAM Kai II
Type 03 Chū-SAM
China: Type 625E, maybe HQ-11?
We already know the Type 625E is coming, and we know it’s the E because of the shape of the mirrors (thank you to @Yontzee here) The Type 625E has a max range of ~17km, which puts it more on par with the Pantsir. The HQ-11 has a range of ~30km, which is still shorter than most of the other long range SAMs mentioned, but it’s still an option. I’m curious what other options China has.
Type 625E
HQ-11
Italy: Aspide SAM, and maybe SAMP/T (Aster 15)?
Aspide SAMs are a little more limited, getting at max ~20km range and being SARH missiles. Land based SAMP/Ts with Aster-15s should have ~35km range. I am not too familiar with Italian SAMs, so please lmk if there’s anything better suited for the game. I know for both of these options stretches would have to be made since Italy may not have had self-propelling launchers for these.
Aspide
SAMP/T (I can’t tell if this has an Aster 15 or an Aster 30)
France: VL MICA, VL MICA-NG, and SAMP/T
The MICA-VL should have a range of ~20km and the VL NG should have a range of ~40km. These would more than likely fit depending on what Gaijin wants to do. The shorter range Sky Sabre and SLAMRAAM variants would fit with the baseline MICA-VL, and their upgraded variants (CAMM-ER and SLAMRAAM-ER) would fit the VL MICA-NG. The SAMP/T was talked about in the Italian portion, so I will not cover it here, but it is an option for France as well.
VL MICA-NG
Sweden: IRIS-T SLS and SLAMRAAMs from Norway
We already had the IRIS-T SLS teased, and we know it will go to Sweden and it should have ~12km max range. For longer range options, Sweden can receive SLAMRAAMs from Norway, which can be seen in the US portion.
IRIS-T SLS
More SLAMRAAMs
Israel: SPYDER
Israel can get access to various types of the SPYDER. It is capable of firing Derbies and Python-5s, meaning its range can be tailored according to Gaijin’s wishes.
SPYDER
Please note I could very easily be wrong about these. This is just the result of surface-level Googling and Wikipedia-skimming. The ranges here are all figures I’ve seen others throw out there, I’m not sure what their actual ranges are.
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It can fire both if my memory serves me right.
The one on the picture is an Aster-30 however, 15’s booster is shorter.
A bit too early for this system imo, even with Aster-15 only
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Nike Ajax, Nike Hercules if heavy SAM are added. Nike Zeus B could work ingame against aircraft but since its an ABM system i dont think itll come
I was trying to limit it to self-propelling SAMs. Specifically the launchers should be on a tank or truck chassis since that’s what we would get as playable vehicles in game.
I obviously don’t expect to get full radar setups, I’d more-so expect radar installations to be a feature on the map in Ground RB, which would supplement the launchers.
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yes, simpler electronics and small batteries saves space for thrust, and also pointy
take a simple example of Roland missile and AMRAAM
Sweden could theoretically also get the RBS 23 BAMSE, which has ~20km range (of an ACLOS missile)
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Yes.
This should be currently exactly the same as ARH missile aka data link + IR terminal phase. So u have to guide it for a bit before being able to forget about it. It determines to turn on the seeker at a certain distance, like ARH does e.g. in game 18km, it turns on to scan for the target in designated zone.
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i see your point now
although i’d say this issue is kind of mitigated by the size of electronics being always smaller as time goes by
MICA VL is a prime example, same 112 kg missile, nothing changed in total weight or dimensions, and yet, with better algorithms and smaller electronics (more propellant), you basically get double the range (20 → 40 km) between the 1990s missile and the 2020s one
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Well there is nothing in question, 625 has HN6 aka just another PGZ04A.
It’d be better due to a better gun, radar, and mobility, however yes, for the most part it would be very similar in AA performance to the PGZ04A.