You would want to wonder how many more people would be interested in it if it was modern instead. Food for thought.
I do think they should expand lower stuff too, for the record, but I just want to be realistic in noting that there’s a good reason Gaijin is focusing on top tier, as a business that wants to make money that is.
yes but the airframe isnt it
and its not beating a 9b by much as it only has top Gs during engine burn time
Tbh I’d much rather event vehicles for Israel be like this (Exports / Imports), than locking unique domestic things behind a FOMO event / market wall.
I’m still hoping ISR can get an event Chieftain Mk.4 one day, that’d be awesome.
I hope so too, the chieftain is pretty important to Israeli vehicle design even tho we never sold any to them, only let them test them before we decided we preferred the Iranians (Before their Islamic boogaloo) and it lead to what became the merkava.
cheiftains also absolutely rock in WT and more of them is a great thing.
would love to see the Iranian mk5p and its evolution the Mobarez (chieftain with a T72 engine) appear one day too
So, we have airplane event in April, and in May, which is also an victory day event, would be naval?
Its been about year since Octabryskaya Revolutsiya leaked, and yeah, while hidden in fame by sister ship Marat in western world, she is true guardian of Leningrad and definitely fits the soviet legends for Victory day event.
So is the S tank lol
AINT NO BODY GETTING MY CHEEEEEEEEEEEEESE
did they ever test ones out in Israel? as I do think tested vehicles are a needed thing to save that tree from the M48 slopfest
The merkava designer, when speaking to Sven Berge and Rickard O. Lindström, said that the merkava was influenced by the 103s design, i think its namely the idea of the engine placement and such. But he was such a huge fan that he asked Sven to sign a copy of a model Strv 103
so nothing like how i meant. The IDF did trial the chieftain tank, we just then refused to sell to them. seeing a design concept and mimmicing it vs hands on time is different
You said the Chieftain was pretty important to the Merkavas design, i was stating it was not the only one and that due to collaboration since the 1960s the merkava was also heavily influenced by the S tank
Reading into it yes, they did have a jolly old test of it but briefly
and it was more than the engine, the merkavas crew survivability is influenced from the S tank
ah right. I was meaning things trialled in Israel for a potential sale as a future addition.
I just want Israel to actually have a reason to not have been added as the American subtree (they still should have been)
A lot of israeli cold war is bodge jobs of random bits and bobs like the zachlam and Tiran so thats kinda unavoidable
their modern and late cold war era is where a lot of mostly if not pure domestic vehicles are which still arent added anyway besides 5 million F 16s and namers
it just didnt need to be this
Eh theres not much more to add than 5 million M60 versions as well thats reality
We have pretty much peaked with their serviced mbts besides a few missing versions of things we already have
Meteor NF Mk.11 on group Meteor F Mk.3 & Sea Meteor F Mk.3 ? But I don’t know battle rating of Meteor NF Mk.11
The Meteor FR.9 BR same Meteor F Mk.8 ?
Sorry, but israel ordered NF Mk.13 only
For Meteor F Mk.1 ?
The american tech tree none the early 1st gen jet fighter 6.7 ~ 7.0 from USN to early rank V before F2H-2
Might another thread, but Meteor F Mk.1 from RAF squadron only
As far as publicised information the F-117A still has the smallest RCS of any aircraft ever made. The difference however is though the technology for the F-22 and F-35 is much more advanced. It was used from a speculative external view to allow the aircraft much better aerodynamics, performance and stability whilst trying to reduce the negatives such body forms produce.
The technology also seems to have been used to allow radar units that are reflective to not be detected externally. (This is why the F-117A does not have a radar unit and similarly it’s RWR reciever plates (rectangular) were kept shut and inoperable in service because of their reflectivity on radar).
But though the RCS for the F-22 and F-35 are close but not as small as the F-117A, they are still effective stealth platforms for their weapons systems that far outdistance that stealth ineffectiveness.
Like I mentioned, the F-117A is no longer a stealth aircraft in modern combat as the distance it’s RCS is not detectable is far too far away distance wise from a target for any guided or unguided weapon drops to work (especially since it doesn’t combine stealth with ECM). Similarly it’s bomb-bays though great for anything up to the scales of 2,000lb bombs will struggle to carry any guided cruise missiles internally hence why it is no longer in service.
The F-117A however is still used as a test platform and sparring platform for stealth aircraft because it’s invaluable to teach other stealth platforms how stealth aircraft work, including those with better RCS than their own aircraft, and how they are on radar (negatives and positives).
and it’s hard for F-117 to avoid some anti-stealth modern radars(not easy for modern stealth jets too but 117 totally not consider this), and its poor flight performance.
The F-117A had good flight performance. The term “wobblin gobblin” is in reference to the Have Blue prototype that was completely unstable.
However theres no such thing as an anti-stealth radar in reality. All that happened is radars advanced enough to be accurate enough like weather radars to pick up birds and other extremely small rcs items whilst interpreting what clutter to ignore. This coupled with the ability to get good radar locks on such small objects is what allows them to detect stealth aircraft (this is why the F-117A was originally “stealth”, it could be seen on radar with reflections occuring in flight but not enough of a hard radar lock (except when spoiling stealth like those bombbay doors open for too long) to fire radar missiles. Theoretically someday soon unless missile technology and radar technology allows much further launches of weapons, there will be the day when just like the F-117A the “stealth” on the F-22 and F-35 will be useless.
(So we will definitely have new more advanced stealth aircraft eventually. But remember there is a limit to geometry and material science at some point that will mean Radar units will eventually be able to detect any object in the air at such vast distances aircraft will only be able to deliver weapons after air superiority, not before. But thats a discussion off topic on the original discussion).
I will just say on the topic of radar and why stealth aircraft are only as stealthy as the range of their weapons against their aircrafts detection: it doesn’t take an extremely intelligent pilot or ground radar operator to understand that the Robin he is currently seeing on radar should not be doing 300-400knots at sea level towards your countries border.