me when the War thunder RR&D becomes the American not understanding the British empire.
I will add mo more this is moronic
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As a general rule of thumb. European top tier aricraft come 6-12 months after their closest contemporariess and are heavily restricted for a while. It’s also rare for them to remain competitive for all that long.
Just look at the Gripen. Came 12 months after the F-16/Mig-29. Was nerfed heavily, became average at best after 6 months and after more than a year is still heavily handicapped and restricted from a lot of core capabilities without much justification (like MAWS, centre line bombs, etc. It even still has a placeholder radar)
Just looking at the Typhoon. It came 3 months after the F-15E and 6 months after the F-15C (its closest US contemproaries currently) Its massively nerfed currently and barely recongnisable as the aircraft its meant to be representing and fixes for it are unlikely to be quick to come.
We only have to guess that within the next 3-9 months, the US will regain the meta with something crazy OP and we’ll be left fighting for buffs for the EFT to keep pace (like AAM upgrades, radar upgrades, etc)
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F22 before F35 or something stupid most likley
eh idk. the closest US contemporary to the Typhoon is the F-22
Oh absolutely. I really wouldnt be surprised if we get a 2025 F-22 this year that also happens to tbe the first aircraft with Aim-120C5s. So we are not only fighting a stealth aircraft, with a buggy, near useless radar but also one with better AAMs.
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No, its the F-15.
T4-5 Typhoons can hold their own against it just about, but strictly speaking, the F-15 is the Typhoon equivalent.
The Tempest would be Britains equivalent to the F-22
F-15 entered service 1976. Typhoon in 2003. F-22 in 2005. the F-22 a much closer contemporary to the Typhoon than the F-15 is
2nd bit is just ragebait tbh. you guys literally have the F-35
When do entry into service dates matter?
Thats a bit like saying the Typhoon Should get ASRAAM because they entered service in 1998, but the US shouldnt get its equivalent Aim-9X Block II because they didnt enter service until 2015 (iirc)
Typhoon = F-15 in game
bc u said contemporary?
and fixed typhoon would equal F-15C late with AESA and BOL. maybe even F-15E late
We really putting the F-22 at the equivalent of an in development 6th gen?
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Why not?
We are putting F-22 against T1 Typhoons.
Why not put F-22 against Tempest?
Maybe if the Typhoon also got AESA
But at hte moment, the F-15C has the superior radar because they refuse to add the CAPTOR-M
but you say all this stuff of how CAPTOR-M is such a great radar it can compete with AESA. also, Typhoon has better FM than F-15C
CAPTOR-M can compete with PESA and some early AESA. Like it was reported it was superior to the PESA radar originally added in the Rafale.
Given the fact we do not have CAPTOR-M and they seem totally unwilling to even consider modeling even 1/10th of it. F-15C with AESA vs Typhoon with Buggy Vixen would be such a one sided fight, the Typhoon would need to be a lower BR.
Full strength CAPTOR-M with the full performance PIRATE and intergration (which is unlikely to ever happen) could probably cope vs F-15C/E with AESA, for a time. But its unfair to deny the Typhoon its AESA radar for all that long just because.
Typhoons FM would matter if the meta was to do with Gunfighting. The meta is not though. I just had a match in GSB where the Su-30SMs on the other team just shot down every missile I fired at them and then spammed so many missiels at me it was impossible to even try and defend. Whilst in that case it was like 1v3/4. Even in a 1v1 I would have been hard pressed to bring any sort of FM advantage to bear
Also the FM is notably underperforming at the moment. Rafale has actually got the better FM currently.
Isn’t the FGR.4 an 08 upgraded tranche 1?
The FGR4 entered service officially in 2008. But Britain never really bothered with teh Tranche/Block designations iirc. It recieved continuous upgrades throughout its service and is still into the future. I think a few of the older airframes are being retired as they would need more expensive modifications to fully acocmodate the CAPTOR-E iirc, but a vast majority could be considered T3/4s at this point.
But other nations have recieved mid-life upgrades and end-of-service upgrades such as the Rafales AESA radar and HMD. So I dont really see the issue in giving the Typhoon a few as well (also strictly speaking, the Typhoon we have could be considered the 2017 version because thats when it first fired the Brimstone, though that was a Brimstone 2 not Brimstone 1)
Probably the same reason the 18C late is an 07 model. “Balance”
Yeah…
Though much of that “balance” seems rather unfair to me.
Like would EGBU-24s be really OP?
Or ePaveway IIs?
Or even SAL-Only Brimstone 2s?
Even beyond loadout. Would kill for proper Stiker I modeling (the HMD) as its missing a load of features or just give us Striker II which shouldn’t actually add all that much in terms of “balance” but a nice QoL upgrade as its a colourized display.
Also just adding the CAPTOR-M and PIRATE would actually give the Typhoon a fighting a chance at the moment. An official suggestion has been submitted for CAPTOR-E, thats just how bad the CAPTOR-M is modeled at the moment that we might as well just skip it.
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Yeah Idk personally I think the EFT should get shadow storms but. That’s just me.
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Cruise missiles become a tricky implementaiton. Whilst they might provide us some limited FnF ability. They could also probably destroy bases with just 2 missiles and hit any base, any where, even on the largest maps. The easiest way to farm anything in SB would just be to take off, reach launch speed and fire them before RTBing. Given the Typhoons climb rate with just 2x Storm Shadows and min fuel. That would take seconds.
it would be insane.
Brimstone 2s (even just limited to SAL only) would be the fairest option. Just mitigate quantity with the fact they arent FnF, but its unfair to nerf both the lack of FnF and the missile performance themselves. Havng to operatre well within range of any SPAA is really annoying when everyone else can sit at 30+ KM without issue