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2025 BVM still the villain how did he do it
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cuz russian bias cuh
CQB is the area where reload is the most important.
Luckily only 8 nations ingame outreload the BVM with every single toptier capable MBT they have
some CQB oriented maps are heavily ridgeline focussed (Mozdok and Finland as prime examples). BVM just cannot compete here.
In CQB you want to be able to react quickly to new situations. Often you need a reverse gear to do this efficiently. This is another area where the BVM falls behind.
Even in the playstyle that fits the BVM the best (small flat maps like Rhine) you do not have a reliable edge to exploit over other picks due to the many flaws your design brings.
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I forgot the oppressive soviet mbts always ruin my match
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Minus Britain (and I think its a few Isareli tanks) after a few rounds, at which point they have a slower reload rate than the T-80 BVM.
And unlike the autoloader in the BVM, if any manual loader gets killed, they have way worse fire rate unless they can get to a cap point and replace that crewmen.
(I also dont have ACE on any of my tanks, so I have the same fire rate as any BVM with ACE or slower than any other NATO tank with ACE)
They stiill have vastly superior armour to most nations. You have to aim for micro weakspots on a BVM to reliable disable them, let alone kill them. Hit most NATO tanks centre mass and they are disabled at the very least. Only the Leoaprd 2s can tank a hit
Both vs DM53 from Leopard 2A7.
On the CR2 hit the green = 1 shot
On the BVM hit the green = 50/50 chance of doing no meaningful damage
I think she would just break because the earth curvature enforces all ships ever to be below a certain keel length
Not to mention george kennys B17Ss are going to have a great day
1 Katie Shell would split it in half in a huge majestic flash
Merkava 4’s need to fire 11 times consecutively without any pause for this to become an issue so this is kinda irrelevant?
And yeah challengers arent the best in the current meta. This is known and i fully understand not wanting to play them so lets ignore them for the rest of time.
Unlike the BVM most nato tanks can survive a pen without blowing up. And if the BVM doesnt blow up (bad aim) it will have lost its autoloader. Last time I checked a 3 crew abrams/leo still autreloads a BVM without autoloader?
Every NATO tank with expert still outreloads the BVM, leopards with 0.15s and everything else with 1.2s?
Drivers port is literally centre mass of BVM and pretty big, the LFP is rather sizeable. If the BVM is at any angle greater than 10 degrees you can click its side and kill it, an angle that wont kill any nato mbt.
The BVM is arguably the easiest toptier MBT to breach due to the weak turret (outside of the ERA plates)
Most of your argumentation revolves around the strategy of “I survive a hit” while the meta in this game is killing an enemy before he shoots you? I have not taken a look at the survivability onion lately but I doubt much has changed.
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CR2 at least, I go from about 6 seocnd reload to like 8 or 9 seconds without loader (I wish these were displayed somewhere for comparison)
What reloads are like outside first stage ammo, without loader, both, etc etc.
My experience is that the BVM will get into the shooting position first and thus can shoot first.
Granted, again, coming at this from a CR2 perspective, so everything is faster than me by a HUGE margin, but I still consider the BVM in the top 3 tanks at the moment.
also, you said it yourself,
Fighting a BVM requires careful aim, you cant just point and shoot, this adds a minor delay, a BVM just has to aim in the general direction of most top tier tanks bar say the Leopard 2 and will one shot the target or disable it badly. Everyone else has to actually aim for a weakspot.
Anyway, I cant be arsed to debate this. Point is. I see absolutely no reason to play the CR2 at the moment and so if I want to play GRB I just play 10.3 because its actually fun and balanced. So I dont really care what the Tornado Gr4 or Typhoon FGR4 are like in GRB these days, because I wont ever use them in that gamemode. But it drives me nuts that Brimstones might as well have never been added within the context of ASB and if we have 40km range death sphere SPAA being added, then making sure everyone has at least a weapon with a range greater than 10km for GRB seems like a bare minimum and even the Brimstoen 2 artificially limited to SAL only, would be of potential use in ASB
0.5 for leos and 1.5-2.5 for other top mbts
what?, the only reason why u survive and can shoot back on the lets say abrams is a very bad place shot, most shot are hull shot 1 shot or side scraped that takes out ur stupid and unrealistic “horizontal drive” and u are crippled anyway
WHAT, nah you are JOKING MATE, the driver port on the BVM(when it penned) is literally smaller than the abrams gunner sight hitbox, u are kidding
nah mate an angle that will kill any tanks unless your reliable era ate the rounds
most tanks can get breeched anyway
the kill enemy first before he kills me only works when its a snipe 1v1 and there isnt a second party, which at almost all the time you would get a third or fourth party involved in, surviving a hit always matter, because you can shoot back, unless you are severely crippled
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Tried drawing the firing arcs of Just the turrets.
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fair in that case then lol
i want 3 of whatever the person that named that took lol
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The british ones are nothing particularly gamechanging in terms of capability, those could probably come at any time ( though maybe not in the upcoming update specifically, since that one looks to be battleship focussed ).
Argentine ships have dedicated AShM 's in the form of Exocet, so while I believe those too are possible to see ingame, I shouldn’t pin them as a possibility in a specific timeframe until the general possibility of active radar antiship missiles also seem to have a specific timeframe.
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Which is still notably faster than a BVM without autoloader at all? or a BVM that is fully dead?
For the challenger specific there is a multiplier of “1.333x”, meaning your reload becomes 6.67s after with ace, and 7.06 without. You can find the multiplier on Gszabi’s datamine github.
No loader iirc just doubles reload?
What I am saying here is that a BVM will only survive (which you made a sizeable deal of) if the aim is bad. the BVM is (in my experience) the mbt that is the easiest to onetap at toptier (after their weaker brothers, the chinese mbts).
I personally disagree but you left the discussion so i wont type another essay.
I fully agree that the CR2’s are hopeless pieces of junk and hope that Britain will develop a working MBT sooner rather than later.
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So CR2 can fire faster than a dead BVM therefore the BVM is worse?
What the hell is that argument?
Thats like saying the T-80BVM is worse than the Mark V because the Mark V has a better reload rate and mobility than when the T-80BVM is dead.
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My good friend didn’t want to talk about aced reloads so I talked about expert. Ace’s are out of reach for most players so we use the golden (silver) standard and talk about aced crews as is more fair.
This is just flat out untrue. Before the basket the Abrams had the 2nd highest post-pen survivability after the Merkava’s. This has not changed one bit but now the Abrams will not be able to return fire.
BVM still just dies when you shoot it.
This cannot be anything but ragebait.
Not a single nato mbt has ammonition or 3 crew in a spot that will cause it to die when shot at a very shallow angle.
Every tank ingame can get penned. What is this argument about then?
Do you even play this game?
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