no none of that WE need is
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Depends.
The J-10C and Gripen-E definitely won’t stay at 14.0 if they add new IR missiles like the IRIS-T and PL-10.
The new missiles I was referencing were new AMRAAMs like the C-5/7/8 and maybe D. But again, 9Xs and the like would mean higher BRs.
That’s not how it’s been for the past 4 major updates, that’s not how it’ll be with the Eurofighter. If this were the case, we would have gotten an AESA-carrying F-15E when the Su-34 came, AESA-carrying F/A-18C and Eurofighter when the Rafale came, etc.
The AESA radar on the F-16C brings it up to J-10C/Gripen-E levels. The AESA radar on the F-15C Late brings it up to current AESA-less Eurofighter levels.
When we get things like the F-15EX, Su-35, etc. then yes an AESA-weilding Eurofighter would be 100% justified to come alongside them.
J10C I think for sure will get a better missile, cause with J10 FM rn unless they pull out 13t+ thrust otherwise it’s gonna be a dog fighter meaning the main TwS advantage of AESA can’t be utilized. The newer ones should come with new ARH and the current C5 carriers maybe barring F18s could just get C4 with the same seeker but no booster change.
Nor would any of the other 14.0s currently at 14.0. Im assuming the Gripen E at this time owuld be 9Ms and Aim-120B/C5s.
Aim-120Ds would mean Meteor for the Typhoon and Rafale which again, wouldnt necessarily give them an advantage over anything else.
Su-34 isnt an F-15E equivalent. The SU-30SM is. Though quite frankly radar performance has been the achilles heel of soviet top tier for a while. So I dont mind them getting PESA.
With the Rafale skipping PESA and them refusing to give the Typhoon CAPTOR-M. We should have already skipped to CAPTOR-E by now. Its been 7 montsh and the Typhoon still has the weakest radar at top tier.
I do think you are over-estimating the Typhoons performance at the moment.
It has less CMs than the F-15E due to BOL Nerfs. its radar basically doesnt work half the time. the MAWS is a buggy mess and we have less ARH than the F-15E. The strengths on the Typhoon are all heavily nerfed.
I think the better TWR is the main reason to add it.
Isn’t Aim-120C4 just AIm-120B at this point? The C5 doesnt have a better seeker.
this also happens to old planes without radar like mig15 i used to use the cockpit view to shoot ground targets before the update but now it moves way too much with slightest move
Not quite, the AIM-120C-8 is exceptionally close to AIM-120D performance and is used on Eurofighters iirc. The Meteor isn’t guaranteed unless they add the AIM-120D-3 specifically or gimp the Meteor.
This is why I wasn’t referencing 9Xs or other new IR missiles. They complicate everything.
It’s the flight performance, sensor suite (RWR + MAWS) and missile kit combination that make it 14.0 material. The F-15C is good as well, but still not as good as the Eurofighter.
The radar on the F-15C is also pretty iffy, both the Captor-M and AN/APG-63(V)1 have similar performance in my experience, with Captor-M being slightly more janky.
The thing is, the F-15C Late would basically be the same as the MSIP-II, only getting a new radar, new cockpit, new missiles (which the MSIP-II is compatible with anyways), and maybe access to BOL pods.
The F-15C Late can also get an IRST pod and Sniper TGP, but those won’t be relevant for a long time.
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Rafale only long range is meteor so either that or gaijin find in the trash the range of the ramjet mica it was i think.
They could also reduce the drag on the MICA
Maybe German ones, but never used on the British ones at least.
Which is rather heavily nerfed at the moment, also without HOBS missiles. I avoid even trying to dogfight at the moment, because its just not worth trying.
RWR isnt that notable and the MAWS is really buggy at the moment
100% identical to the F-15E. Unless for some reason you want to run loads of AIm-9Ms, which I dont think anyone does.
Again. Was US Mains saying the F-15C was Typhoon equivalent. Then when F-15C was added, they said F-15E and then when F-15E was added they said F-18E. Im assuming after that it would have become the F-22. But thankfully Gaijin doesnt listen to US mains all that often.
That might be fair. Though US radars at the moment have much better scan volume, which is critical for basically my only gamemode at the moment for top tier. ASB.
At which point that sounds like 14.0 which would be equal to the current F-15E and Typhoon, etc.
Though doesnt change the original point. Japan and china dont have 14.0s. No idea what for Japan, but I think a later variant of the J-10 would be ideal for China and Sweden could really do with something other than the F-18C. Gripen NG or E is overdue, should have come with the Typhoon and Rafale ideally.
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Nvm i talked too fast i thought the missile you were talking was 200km something.
Mica fix / mica ng in worst case would be fine yeah.
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The RWR coverage on the Eurofighter is significantly better than the current F-15C, and still quite a bit better than the F-15E. The F-15C Late doesn’t get a new RWR at all (afaik), which is why I mentioned that.
didnt really think there was any difference. (at least that was actually noticably modeled in game)
This is why I was mentioning US equivalents that could match these.
The Gripen-E would fit well with the F-16C PoBIT. China would get the F-16V Block 70 as that’s the equivalent the PoBIT aims to match.
The J-10B/C would be fine as well eventually, but the problem is finding a patch for it.
Japan sadly doesn’t have any 14.0 worthy aircraft unless they ungimp the F-15J(M) or add the F-15JSI or F-2 Super Kai.
The F-15JSI still hasn’t been built yet, and the F-2 Super Kai is just a concept. I’d be down for both to be added, but for now it’s uncertain. At the very least the JSI would be a F-15C Late equivalent but with slightly better avionics.
The F-15J(M) could receive proper AAM-4s with less drag and a better booster. Could throw better AMRAAMs on there too if necessary. But even then that may not make it 14.0 material yet. I’m not sure.
F-Ck-1 4.5gen fighter still waiting for it… it not copy and paste btw…
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It is becoming more and more apparent we need EW suites and ECCM. The Gripen’s strength is just that, it’s never going to beat a Typhoon/Rafale in raw performance so it uses it’s excellent EW suite.
In game though it will as you said be a Gripen with an AESA radar and an additional pylon.
and this is something I kinda have issue with.
Why does the US always need equivalents to everyone else, but everyone else doesnt necessarily need equivalents to the US? Do Sweden, Japan and China really have an F-15E Equivalent yet?
The Eurofighter has full spherical coverage. The F-15C has clear blind spots above and below, and the F-15E has better coverage below but not fully spherical.
Much better TWR as well. but yeah, Gripen C is underperforming LOADS at the moment, I imagine the Gripen E is going to be pretty poor too
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Because EVERYONE should get an equivalent
It’s not about my nation being better than your’s. That doesn’t matter. Everyone should have relatively equally performing vehicles.
There no need for the B1 or 52