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But I asked which “other aircraft” should be added and the response was, uh… a redundant and slightly worse Rafale variant, and a later Tranche Typhoon which will probably come later with new missiles that are still too strong for the game right now and which therefore makes it appropiate only for the future.
And what other options are left for all these nations? None, really. Specially when they already got several various subtree additions on top of their own planes just to have more options than they would without them.
I agree about F-2 coming too late at this point, but that’s just 1 plane of 1 nation. What about all the rest?
People also tend to forget that Russia is also getting half a million planes per update too, just like U.S, because they also just have more options available. But that’s somehow never a problem, it’s always U.S bad.
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We could have 3 lines of Rafale.
We already have the Rafale C, we could have the Rafale B (dual seat) and the Rafale M (navy) on 2 others lines.
And each of thoses 3 family of Rafale could come in different upgrade, the same for each globally: F1.x, F2.x, F3.x F4.x and soon F5.x )
So we have place for 3 lines of Rafale with both early and later upgrades.
The issue becomes the other nations.
Sweden? Still stuck with the Gripen C or the weakest F-18.
Japan? No F-2
China? No J-10B
Even when looking at the 3 Typhoon nations, yes the Typhoon has great potential, but has too many issues to count. But that being said, whilst Germany, Italy, Britain and France dont need a new top tier aircraft, that is no reason for them to go without any new aircraft at any BRs. Its annoying this idea that the US can get a new aircraft every single update without fail “because they built loads of stuff” whilst everyone has just as many outstanding aircraft at a range of BRs, but some updates will go without a single new aircraft (looking at 2023 for Britain, would the Gnat, Hawk, or even several from 2024 like the Buc S2B or Tornado Gr4 have been game breaking if they had come whilst we waited for a new top tier)
That having been said. I do kinda hope we get the Typhoons skipped at the current BRs sooner rather than later and thus allow the current Typhoons to get buffs. I.E, Add the Typhoon F2 with CAPTOR-M, Aim-9M and AMRAAM + limited A2G at 14.0, and move the FGR4 up to 14.3 and give it CAPTOR-E
But why… why?
Sure you can technically add 10 Rafales, but… what for? You are only adding more and more RP to grind through there.
As far as I know, gameplay wise, they would be either identical or nearly identical to the one we got. So what’s the point really? You can only spawn one anyway!
The same why we have multiples F-16s, multiples F-15s, multiples Su 29, multiples Spitfire, multiples Bf109 and so on…
I don’t say we need 10 of them, but surely we can have more than 1.
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We have multiple significant upgrades.
There’s a whole world between F-16A and F-16C; new engine, new radar, new IR missile, new radar missile…
There’s a whole world between F-15A and F-15E; new engines, new radar, new IR missile, new radar missile…
But what difference is there between Rafale C F3 and Rafale C F2.2…? Mission planning software? That literally has no impact in War Thunder at all. It would be identical.
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Fair, though I’d argue earlier versions should’ve just come earlier, especially for nations with very linear progression compared to the USs 10+ option for each BR step.
They seem redundant now, but getting the earliest version of an aircraft as soon as game balance allows it helps make progression feel a lot more fair. This Mirage → Rafale gap might feel a lot better if it had just been a bit smaller initially.
It’s the same thing I meant with the F-2. Had it come with the Eurofighter/Rafale two updates ago, it’d have a unique at the time AESA radar to make up for shortcomings and at least be a decent (if maybe a bit niche) 14.0 jet, but we’d still have skipped from the initial aircraft all the way to the most modern ARH slinging variant rather than introducing it naturally in at least the two major service variants.
I just used them as an example. Generally US and Russia will get the most additions, maybe with China joining that club now too. It’s not a bad thing by itself, just makes the weirdly spaced additions for others feel worse.
I’m not saying to make up planes or to add more than you can, but those that can be added should be added when they can based on gameplay need and the state of top tier, not some arbitrary idea of content spacing
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Rafale B bring visual change, Rafale M could bring carrier gameplay (something that would be nice to be more worked on as we have more and more modern capable jet that use carriers (F-14s, F-18s, some Su, Rafales M…)
So at least 1 of each of thoses 3 family could be nice.
And differents upgrades bring also different weaponry. For example F4.x could bring the 1T variant of the AASM, alongside other stuff.
Earlier variant could remove the AESA radar and bring it more closer with pre-top tier planes.
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See, this is what I mean.
When Gaijin implements a good variant right away, the complaint is that “why did they not add weaker variants before so that now they would have more?”
But when Gaijin implements a worse variant first, the complaint is that “why the weaker variant instead of a better one right away?”
Visual change is worthless and has no impact on the game… 400,000 extra RP to grind for that?
Rafale M, I am sure it will eventually come to another line, but I can’t see “carrier gameplay” being a selling point… but it will surely come just because it belongs.
That’s 100% happening- the same way future EFs will likely bring Meteors, etc- but it’s still too early for all of this, so I don’t know how it can be part of the complaints.
In general, I don’t get what’s the angle here exactly. People always complain about not getting the best variants as fast as possible… but when they do, they then complain about not having got several slightly worse variants before just so that “they would have more content”…
and this is just considering top tier. I seriously doubt multiple natiions have absolutely no new aircraft or meaningful aircraft variants left to add between BR1 and BR13.7
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The Rafale we have ingame can already use Meteor, alongside MICA IR, IRL.
It’s also a possibility that for balance Gaijin add all thoses new weaponry on a later variant.
They definitely should add earlier variants of the Eurofighter and the Rafale.
They also should add multiple variants of the F-2 over time.
As long as the differences between variants are enough to warrant a different BR (even if it’s just a different ground BR) I don’t see why the variants shouldn’t be added to the tech trees.
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In the Typhoons case, there isnt a huge amount right now, only really CAPTOR-E. But that could very soon include later AMRAAM variants and its inplace and ready to move up if the Typhoon F2 is there to fill the current role.
Exactly, and so can EF. But the game is not ready for those missiles yet.
See, this is what I am talking about.
EF and Rafale users are somehow complaining that “they have worse planes that U.S”… when they have planes that are SO GOOD that they need to be held back with worse armament than they really can use. So I really can’t see what the problem is here.
Later EF and Rafale variants are 100% being saved to come with upgraded armament for when 5th gen fighters start coming for U.S and Russia.
Marginally better? The F1 had a mechanical radar, older avionics, no air to ground capabilities, what more do you want?
For me i simply wish to have the 3 main family of the Rafale, they all have their little tastes, even if it’s just visually, and all could come as earlier variant, same variant, or advanced variant vs the one we already have.
Don’t see the problem to add more of them, sure not 10, but at least 1 or 2 of each.
Then perhaps the F5 alongside drone operation as it seems to be one of the focus of it’s development (alongside more than 20% of engine trust) but i guess it’s too soon to talk about that
