Next Major Update - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 1)

[xPorkulusx]

Update for 11/27 with reliable leaks
For the last update, I collected a few of the latest rumors and kept them in an updated post throughout the thread.

I’ll try to do the same this time, so that people new to the thread can get an idea about the latest rumors and leaks. This will only include rumors that are possible inclusions for the coming update, so any long-term leaks that have a timeframe beyond the next update ( F-22A) are not included.

“Leaked” information is only included if it comes from a reliable source such as Gszabi99, Olivia, or Yukari33.

Rumored Features

The December update/fifth major update often contains new vehicle classes or new nations/tech trees-- this does not guarantee that this will be included, but is worth keeping in mind.

Anti-radiation missiles, hinted by Gaijin video team

SEAD game mode/mission type, datamined, plus datamines of launchers/targets

Submarines, many related datamines and additions recently, including ASW weapons and submarine spawns on naval maps

Poland/Eastern Europe Independent Tech Tree, leaked

ASEAN subtree for China or Japan, leaked

Rumored Vehicles

F/A-18 Hornet, leaked multiple times, specifically for Germany through Switzerland, though Smin says if the Hornet would come, it would come to the US (perhaps multiple nations at once? Seems likely)

FB-10 SPAA for China, missiles datamined

JDS Yubetsu, leaked

More F-5 variants for Netherlands/France, Switzerland/Germany; leaked

Current Reliable Leaks:

(I’m using the Yukari33 list since it includes premium and event designations)

Please let me know if I’ve missed anything and I’ll update the post/repost to include it.

[KhorneFlakez1337]

Still waiting for the Gnat and Hawk

[someweirdname]

they’re long overdue

especially the gnat

[vizender]

Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance

Dassault Rafale Family - French Engineering at its Finest [a1b79ed214ea4973c858284343b00434e9c7171e-transformed] Hello there ^^ This thread is about the Dassault Rafale, a French multi-role jet fighter of the 4th (+ / ++) generation. I want to summarize the different variants and standards of the Rafale, as well as you to share knowledge, informations and some sources with each other. I’ll say it before it happens; I’ve an eye on this thread and wont hesitate to inform the Forum Modera…

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Standards-List and Differences / Changes

All standards can technically applied to any model of the Rafale, but not all were used on all models.

-F.1-

• LF.1 - (Exclusive to Rafale M)
  Lacked: Air-to-Ground armament and OFS - limited to (2x) Matra Magic II and (4x) MICA EM
• F.1 - (Exclusive to Rafale M)
  Added: GIAT 30M791B
• F.1 - (F.1 Late) - (Exclusive to Rafale M)
  SNECMA M88-2E4 replaced the older M88-2E1

-F.2-

• F.2.1 - (F.2 Early)
  Added: OFS, MICA IR, Air-to-Ground and Air-to-Sea radar modes, SCALP-EG, MIDS/L16 and SNECMA M88-2E4
• F.2.2 - (F.2 Late)
  Added: AASM-IIR, AASM-GPS, SPECTRA update - GBU support (buddy lasing required)

-F.3-

• F.3 - (F.3 Early)
  Added: Air-to-Surface radar mode, LAM for MICA, AM39, ASMP-A, AREOS Recco-NG pod (side note: no TGP)
  Lacked: DDM and OFS
• F.3 - (F.3 Late) **
  DDM and OFS system re-added
• F.3.2
  Added: Gun A2G mode*, DAMOCLES (-NG) - GBU-12, GBU-22
• F.3.3
  Added: Full LGB support - GBU-24 integrated
• F.3-4+ - (F.3R / F.4 ready)
  Added: Modernized SPECTRA system; MWS-NG, OFS-IT, DDM-NG, RBE2-AA plug & play
• F.3R
  (F.3-4+) Added: RBE2-AA, MBDA Meteor missile, TALIOS pod, AN/AAQ-33 Sniper compability, AM39 Block II Mod. 2, AASM-L, Mk.81 / 82 / 83 bombs, GBU-16

-F.4-

• F.4.1
  Added: AASM-1000, Scorpion HMCS, new and larger side displays in cockpit, new SAR and GMTI/T Radar modes, major Electronics updates (incl. new FHD video recorder, new underwing Jammers), LAM for Meteor, new IRST and improved dection, tracking and firing capabilities, SP3 modification allowing two additional MICA missiles serially used and towed Decoy “X-Guard” now technically possible

• F.4.2
  Planned additions: MICA NG, Networking updates, Software / Cypersecruity improvements, MIDS/L16 Block 2, automatic landing assistant (Rafale M)

-F.5 ‘Super Rafale’-

• F.5
  In development - Fixed planned additions: RBE2-XG, new TGP, MBDA Meteor MLU, AASF, major EW suit updates, new cruise-missile

*Unconfirmed
**F.3 Late is unconfirmed so far, we can assume that all F.3 Early were just modernized to an higher standard later on, way after the financial issues and F.3.2 introduction
***Unofficial designation

[Tristacomand]

@luque13

Switch on missiles use the 3rd gen thermals to see everything

Have you ever tried to use a missile camera to see anything?

Here’s TIALD.

Here’s a missile camera.

Any questions in terms of visibility?

[CalvinAz]

Kh-38MT has drastically different zoom levels compared to the IIR maverick, the 38MT’s are mote akin to a TGP in terms of zoom levels.

I believe it’s around 6-24x zoom vs 2.5-5x zoom on the Mav D/G

[Smugspite]

you used an AMG65D…

here is what the KH38MTs seeker looks like so please dont try and hide information

[Tristacomand]

@Smugspite

AMG65D…

Which you know because I included that intentionally.

The important bit is, for some reason Gaijin has missile cameras using different contrast to any Thermal Targeting Pod. Much harder to pick out targets than even a bad pod like TIALD.

[魔法少女アルティメットゆいちゃん]

It is sad that the F-2A is not on board while 4.5 generation fighters such as Eurofighter and Rafale have been leaked.

[Smugspite]

my guy he is at the same range as when you used TIALD and it is a far clearer image, this is just cope at this point lmao

[Psusennes]

@Morvran

Probably something like “hornets nest” if they add the F-18 :P

Rather the will call it “Ice Hornet” due to the documentary called the same ;-)

[luque13]

I have not but reversing your thermals for the second image would help. I have died to Kh-38T so many times recently. Since the update.

As for the thermals I can only go on gameplay footage from others
Not promoting this creator, just one of the first hits on Youtube.
6:30 in we see the thermals are pretty good for the missile (which once again I would question as other Russian missiles and drones using thermals are never this crisp and clear IRL). Seems strange why they would upgrade these missile thermals to gen 3

Russia's Most Capable CAS BULLIES Everything! - SU-34 - War Thunder

[141_allen]

I doubt J10B though, we can’t even work out what radar it has RN lol.

[HaphazardDrip94]

Another BMD that’s not in the regular tech tree……… After 4 we get another one and it’s a premium

[_Renzo]

Most of the stuff that would be in the december update has already been in the works for litterally months though.

[Tristacomand]

@luque13

I have not but reversing your thermals for the second image would help.

Not something the player can control. That was the winter test drive map, both taken on Gr 7. Missile camera just has the contrast like that. You can see in the video you linked that the Kh-38MT camera doesn’t have such strong contrast as any thermal pod, which is what I’m talking about.

Even a gen 1 thermal pod would make MiG-29SMT, Su-27SM and Su-34 into way better multiroles. They would still have atrocious flight performance, but it would be easier to pick out targets.

In any case, all current multiroles will pale in comparison to any Eurofighter that has even a gen 1 thermal pod and some terrible LGB and AGM.

[SkyMusashi]

Pay to Win. :)

[Swokе]

iirc Creighton Abrams

[_Renzo]

@Tristacomand

Imagine people were scared about Su-34…

Acting like it’s not the best CAS plane for top tier ground at the moment and an absolute menace.

[Serkay64]

Couldnt the german variant be a Tranche 1 Block 10 with some limited CAS ability?