Effectively they would be. With this there really wouldn’t be any difference of “main” or “sub” trees, it’s just taking a few nations to let them share lineups within their respective game faction (a folder of nations, if you will).
If you only want to play France, or only BeNeLux, then you can go and only play what you want. But you can still combine them which helps in the greater sense of trying to make sure the games factions somewhat match up to eachother if you use everything available to you.
Though some of the larger individual nations would also need their own ways to get more space alongside this, like more lines in the techtrees. For example the amount of US or USSR vehicles, but also vehicles from other nations most commonly around WWII era, that just can’t be added because the space is missing (even without subtrees) is a lot.
It’s a good thing especially for players who only stock grinding Mangusta. A129A and A109AT are still welcome additions, they would have their differences compared to other modifications already represented in the game.
PS but with a rate at which Gaijin is adding Italian helicopters, I will probably see the next TES game released before any new heli for Italy)
I’m not sure if its a good idea though…
These vehicles will come anyway, if these folders are made, the amount of vehicles per update need to increase as well, otherwise you keep having gaps. Then it becomes more apperent how few vehicles some nations are getting. Most TT’s wont even change then.
These changes are only lucrative if every nation received around 5 TT vehicles per update for air and ground. The majority get 1 if lucky, so it would take a long time until such change would be neccessary.
Even though my point is regarding the French involvement in these designs, even when you approach these four additions from a uniqueness standpoint I’ll argue that the aquilon and EMBT are more interesting.
the PRTL is functionally just the Gepard. If the Netherlands were a German subtree the difference between the two would be miniscule. The turret behaves the same, the radar is marginally worse, there’s no change in survivability, etc
the Leopard 1a5BE isn’t meaningfully different from the Leopard 1a5. A slight difference in turret armor and 3% worse zoom, and while it could have been different if given MECAR kinetic ammo or other Belgian changes, the only true difference is the Belgian chem rounds, which don’t change the game play or capabilities of the vehicle
the Aquilon is a licensed sea venom, that’s entirely correct, but its localized changes have meaningful impacts on Br placement and gameplay, most notably the Air to Air munitions and AS-20 nords, which gives France more CAS options as the Nords were originally paywalled at 8.7 or locked to 9.0 aircraft
can’t really argue too much with the EMBT, especially for France as it’s a downgrade from the Leclercs, but that arguably makes things even worse, but it does eliminate some hull weaknesses
If the devs really wanted to add something BeNeLux designed to fill a gap there were far better options.
adding Sibmas H.20 would provide a a ~7.0 spaa platform to help fill the gap, and while France has four different platforms with the same or similar turret (VAB TA20, ERC TA20, AMX VCI TA20, and the VAB with a competing turret design), none are in game so it would at least fill a gap
otherwise the CV9035nl MLU would provide France with an APS equipped IFV around 11.0, something France has no domestic options for
Indeed, the space issue is a real problem; in fact, it is why nations with a mod with 5 lines never seem to get a dedicated update for vehicles for the sub-nation in that mod.
It’s why none of the UK ones have gotten one focus on their airside, why BeNeLux ground hasn’t happened, or why Swiss ground is more likely to be a small handful at best.
Because with 5 lines, the tree is already basically full, so we get 1 or 2 vehicles in that mode sprinkled throughout the year for sub-nations.
Some nations have already hit full for slots in some ranks, like German air. Considering the research tree basically only has 3x3x5 pre-rank, there are expectations, but a rank is usually 3 vehicles per line, with that being able to be 3 vehicles in a folder and 5 lines. So, if I did my math right, a rank only has room for 45 vehicles, but that’s not factoring in how lines are organized by type, ex., light, medium, heavy, SPAA and TD for ground, which shrinks that number, as there might not be 9 TD but 15 mediums available for that rank, but unless the vehicle to be folded under is related, the mediums are not taking the free spots in the TD line.
In its implementation in-game yes, IRL it performed better.
I personally think they were great additions, especially for more healthy line-ups while keeping very iconic French and Benelux vehicles in the line-up.
yeah, there are tons of options for France.
I have no idea why its such a neglected nation.
We only get French Ships, the rest is BeNeLux (BeNeLux is not bad, we just need more domestic designs and things we actually use).
Even with BeNeLux, France is being neglected.
We cant have our Leopard 2A8 despite Israel getting a F-15IA, we also can’t have our PZH2000NL, we can’t have our Leopard 1A5BE(MEXAS) for the TT, we aren’t getting any Piranha’s, Renards, SIBMAS and Fennek’s.
just because some people still play on Windows XP with a 720p monitor… like… come on. It’s time for WT to innovate and move on to 6-7 lines.
These players can get a scroll bar.
Gripen E still has clipping parts and incorrect flare count in the pre flight menu and the 2A8s still have an incorrect gun depression (no the marketing material about a prototype variant does not give the right number for the production variant all users say is -9 degrees) but hey im pleasantly surprised by quite a few of the smaller changes. And the variable BR while just a test is something ive been wanting for so long so im very happy about it.
Thing is there would be no gaps that aren’t there now. It would only increase space and (hopefully) lead to new subtree additions / subtrees shifted to this system (because it’d likely be rolled out one at a time) getting proper launch trees like independent nations got in the past.
At worst it’d come without release trees and start out with the same gaps we have now, but without removing vehicles it won’t create new ones.
Going by what others say, this being a prototype, it shouldn’t be in the TT.
But it shouldn’t also replace Belgium’s last MBT, like others want. And before you argue that MEXAS doesn’t affect Leos. The C2 (MEXAS) wasn’t going to go down in BR when the other 1A5s were planned to, as MEXAS is one of the add-on armours that get added as a separate vehicle; it’s why the 1A5 in-game that has it has a fake name.
it wont though.
Already nations like Japan and France dont get their domestic stuff often besides some boats.
They prefer to dilute additions to 1-2 vehicles per update in order to prolong additions, then to actually add stuff.