In real life, South African fighter jets are better than in the game. I think it’s time they gave them the AIM-120C and D missiles, and other missiles in the future like the A-Darter, IRIS-T, and Meteor. In real life, South African fighter jets are better than in the game. I think it’s time to give them the AIM-120C and D missiles, and other missiles in the future like the A-Darter, IRIS-T, and Meteor. Besides, if I’m not mistaken, they have much improved and modernized sensors, radar, engine, and other components.
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Loadouts are always a balancing decision
Aim-120C would probably move it to 14.0 (look at F-16I and they arent worth it)
D maybe higher still (if we are being entirely realistic here, it shouldnt even have AMRAAM which is why it has R-Darter, though its a rule they flip flop constantly on, whether a nation needs the weapons to get them)
A-Darter again… no idea what it compares to, but would probably be a BR increase.
IRIS-T is not in-game on A2A platforms and not even the Typhoons get those yet. Would probably be 14.3/14.7 and at which point you would be better off grinding the German or Italian TTs for a Typhoon with IRIS-T or the Swedish TT for the Gripen E (the Gripen most likely to actually get them)
Meteor again, SA doesnt use and would be higher still and you owuld be better off just using the Typhoon FGR4 AESA.
I think the SA Gripen C already has better than it should in this regard.
@Pheonix_RX01 would know more than me. You are probably confusing it with the Gripen E that SA doesnt operate.
you’re repeating yourself
also, isn’t the SA gripen meta in tournaments rn? Due to R-darter
ZA only uses IRIS-T for missiles.
Also you claim its better IRL then in game…no, ZA had a ton of money problems which led to all Gripens being stored around 2020, after a recent contract with SAAB they have started getting the parts they needed to get them running again.
Now as for your comment ZA Gripens are of MS19, they lack the ability to use GBU-39 which was given to them erroneously as a form of balancing. The ZA Gripens IRL are the oldest Gripen C’s in service because ZA can’t afford to upgrade them to MS20 standard so please if you’re gonna spout stuff you have no idea about please list some sources
If you wish to learn about MS and what it is I recommend reading through my bug report which also has some secondary and primary sources for the ZA gripens to be nerfed to historical levels.
Gripens not being identified by their MS. // Issues Community Bug Reporting System
Both armament that was selected and age of the Gripen C models putting them at MS19, no announcement of them being pushed to be upgraded to MS20 has ever been announced.
For the GPS bombs it’s stated by SAAB that it was planned for MS19 models to get them but unfortunately the plans were pushed back to the following upgrade so yes this paper is a tad out of date and therefore conflicts with current unclassified info on the MS and SAAF purchases.
@kizvy think this is good enough info or do you think I should add more lmao. I kinda hate being the defacto Grippy dude lol. Need to train you to take this role lmao
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ZA Grippy is literally the best Grippy in game for its playstyle of mid to close range engagements. I could see a noob or someone who refuses to play the Grippy to its strengths having problems with it so it’s not that big of a problem but if they get AIM-120 then they need to give everyone else the Darter which I doubt will happen.
Gaijin seems content with the current balance of their amalgam jets
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Nevermind Morvran, I know this guy, yeah he’ll create posts, get solid feedback then make a cope response or literally ignore anything anyone has said. Damn I should have checked the OP before wasting my time smh lmao
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Its already the best grippy. Fights 12.7- 13.7 all day. The few uptiers it does get are never vs france / micas.
Its a rare W vic. Making it “better” equates to higher BR- fat no
Also R- darters are good enough
Yes, yes, but when you go up tier without an AIM120 it’s quite difficult because above 25km in front and at about 7km altitude it doesn’t work, but up close it’s good, except it works for any notch while the AIM120 and Mica tend to ignore it on some occasions.
First, I didn’t state anything; second, do you know what it means to ask questions?; third, do you know what a question mark is?; fourth, yes, I listen, I never created any topic about the British Gripen; fifth, unnecessary.
Thank you, now I understand.
South Africa never had weapons such as 120C and D (well, any AMRAAM to begin with at all), although technically speaking it is “compatible”. Only weapons it truly had irl were IRIS-T and A-Darter, both of which would be too good. Things are given due to balance iirc. To this day I cannot find anything showing it even had R-Darters, as those were meant for their earlier jets like Cheetah C
Maybe the upgrades could have happened to it and not be stuck at MS19, but due to…reasons, they cannot. They had their own upgrade plans incl. more missile options, but due to those same reasons, it did not happen.
gripen_c-foldout.pdf https://share.google/GDdN1MJxJyTM19uXn
To give some context this pdf is called Packing iron but since SAAB reused the old link it says Foldout but Foldout is the newer Gripen PDF so if you want to find more info on this you’ll need to look up packing iron
For the older Gripen C R Darter was included. Newer Gripen C info packs from SAAB have replaced the R Darter with other A2G munitions as currently all new Gripen C’s being produced are MS20 iirc
All Gripens still need to have their systems updated and setup to run specific equipment so if we take a brand new Gripen you can just strap a missile to it. It needs to be modified to run that specific equipment. So either A darter and R darter are universal or SAAB did testing for SAAF
1st yes you did
2nd where’s the question mark in your statement?
3rd clearly I seem to know what they are but I suggest you ask an adult since you clearly have no idea.
4th my comment wasn’t on the British Gripen but prior posts such as the Swedish FnF helicopters where you already asked if Sweden could get the H14 from Germany in a prior post and we said no. Then you asked again.
Yea I’m aware of the PDF, but was more so talking about irl.
It shouldn’t have a problem carrying them as the Derby and R-Darter are pretty much the same as both were made in cooperation with Rafael and Kentron (with the only difference being minor things due to materials). Was something that can be pointed out but is not that big of a deal.
Yeah as for irl specs I can’t say, I did try for a while to see if SAAF ever had any other missiles on loan for testing to provide a suggestion for AIM 120 but nothing ever came up.
Even older docs like the one I posted don’t really help unfortunately. Perhaps info regarding the Darter is either still classified or just poorly recorded online.
If we ever need a new BVRAAM, we could ask for the Marlin, maybe even the LRAAM but that was more meant to go into service at a similar time the Carver went into service.
LRAAM would also be like a better Meteor with worse electronics
PS. I am not saying should or shouldn’t but more a case of bending the rules a bit to make the (Joke of Africa [Seriously]) 39 a bit better with the missiles
It’s literally the best Grippy C, what do you mean? also were they used on the Gripen? (More general curiosity)
I have looked and it seems to have been tested on it but how is very hard to find, whether it was just mounted and carried, test launched, both, it is not clear but I can provide a few images and a lot of the LRAAM.
I also wanna ask, are the R-Darters a pain at times with their shorter range compared to AMRAAMs? I have played the Kfir C10 a lot and struggle with the Derby a bit at times but unlocking the quad missile loadout will help I think.
The thing with the Darters is they pull better than the 120’s which lets the Grippy play as a solid mid to close range mid alt fighter, side climb stay high but not too high and catch people when they are within 8km. The 120’s don’t play well with the Gripen since they don’t allow you to utilize your agility nor does the Grippy play well as a long distance fighter. That’s why people who actually know what they are doing in the Gripen prefer the SAAF model. It simply complements the current in game playstyle.
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Thats also why they use the SA gripen in tournaments as well
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