What are you doing in the GR4 fam’
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Given that you are outclassed by every single aircraft, keeping my distance, though every single match ive joined so far has been more than half way through and all that is left is HAWKS and Patriot radars.
After firing 9 off, half are intercepted, most of what is left never seems to hit anything. I assume the radars get toggled off and I might kill 1 target with the volley.
I tried getting in a bit closer, then got swarmed by an F-14 and 2x F-18s.
If the GR4 was 12.0 where it should be, then I might risk getting a bit closer.
But at 12.3, you stand no chance if you get too close.
You have to be doing something wrong. What altitudes and distances are you engaging the GBAD sites. Typically I need only ~3 ALARM per Hawk site, 1 per EWR (depending on if its close to the Hawk batteries) and ~4 ALARM per Patriot battery.
I wouldn’t bother at all with SHORAD targets with ALARM. Your job is to clear all the Medium/Long range systems and EWR’s. Pays good too;
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Its a Tornado GR4, so I never go above about 500ft, and im getting about 30-40km away, like I said, tried to get closer, immediately got swarmed by the enemy team and I couldnt be bothered to spend 25 minutes flanking around the edge of the map to get closer.
What are you doing ahaha, start at the back climb to 6-7km line up on sites and launch…
from 500ft you missile won’t be high enough at the peak of its apogee to be out of LOS of most of the radars…
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Figured that was a guranteed death sentence, like it is in every other gamemode. Let alone ones where S-300s and Patriots fire at you the moment you take off. Will try it, but figured the ALARM is meant to be fired from low and lofts really high for a reason
Really high relative to your own position, you need to maximize for the best launch conditions. So on terminal the missile is coming in vertical. From 500ft most of the high speed stage will be in LOS of the radars and fall into a threat category and thus get intercepted at a higher rate.
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I’ll try it, but still think the GR4 is over BRed and they just need to give the GR1 its ALARMs too.
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The anti-air is still absolutely cracked and cheating and has no counterplay. My F-16 mounts 2x AGM-88 and somehow they miss 80% of the time or do no damage at all meanwhile 2s6 spams unlimited missiles with impossible physics. SPAA nerf my hairy a**.
Against convoy 2s6 : push the 2s6, it will activate the radar at circa 15km, at that point you pinpoint it’s location and lock on it with the agm88, keep pushing it at 500mt altitude, when the SAM fires you launch 2 agm88 in rapid succession , the 2s6 will be destroyed easily.
Against static SAM at depots : do not bother with agm88, 3 sams all focusing on your missles is too much for any ARM. Use gbu39 launch them from 30km , 8 gbu will kill the 3 2s6 at the depots if fired correctly.
Against s300: you need to point the rough location of the s300 on the map, when you are 30km away from that location zoom climb near vertically until 2km, at that point you can use gbu39 or launch 2 agm88c at the radar and hit it nearly every time, using gbu39 you will always get the whole battery, 100% effectiveness proved multiple times.
Tldr: Blue side DEAD and SEAD are very easy and are currently the only side that can do it with any consistency. You guys should learn to use your weapons before crying for nerfs or buffs, at least try and ask people who are better than you how to use this stuff, expecting the game to just give you kills and points without any effort is peak crybaby.
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Su-25 at 10.3 getting R-60Ms (Su-25 is faster than the A-10)
Su-25 at 11.3 getting R-73 and IRCM
A-10 at 10.7 getting 4x9L is fine
A-10 at 11.7 getting 4x9M is fine
No A-10 gets IRCM and can be shot down by IR missiles easily if the pilot forgets to flare while Su-25T at 11.3 is immune to IR missiles because of IRCM.
So again, wheres the ARMs for Nato at 11.3 and 11.0? They aren’t magically better than the ARMs that Russia gets at those BRs. Its in the name of fairness.
Hell the KH-25MPU and the KH-31P can be considered some of the best purely off their speed alone, yeah the KH-31s on the SU-39 do not target ALL radar bands but its enough. If you’re not certain just run the KH-25MPU anyways. Hell the Su-39 can carry four KH-25MPU, 2xS250 and 2xKH-29TE. So it can suppress any 10.3 to 12.3 SPAA while still being able to send a TV guided missile AND do close rocket strikes when the SPAA are dead. Its now more versatile in GRB than the A-10C because it can directly contest SPAA while the A-10 cannot.
So wheres the AGM-45 Shrike for the Thunderchief and other airplanes that used it?
Wheres the AGM-78? (Equivalent to the KH-25MPU)
Wheres the Martel ER?
Why can Russia get the ability to suppress SPAA between 10.3 to 12.3 while NATO can only suppress 11.3 to 12.7 SPAA?
I don’t want to have to grind Russia just to get the SEAD capabilities that NATO should also have at these BRs.
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Right now ARM performance are pointless.
Long range AA will shut off radar for any ARM fired over 30km range, so against LR SAMs litterally any HARM has the same performance.
Against moving SACLOS sam you need to wait until the AA fires on you, if you didn’t wait for it the sams wil lengage any Arm easily, and the distances involved make kh31 unusable in this role, all other Arm perform the same.
Against sams defending depots there is no eay of reliably killing them with arm, do not bother.
AGM88G and agm45 are confirmed to be coming, there is no need to cry.
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This balanced is such a joke now. Just had 2S6 shot down all my Kh-31 L112. Would like to see that happen in Ground RB. The AA in this gamemode is simply ultra cheating end of story. Can’t do CAS because at best I can kill 2x 2S6 on one sortie. Next sortie, 2S6 will respawn. Can’t kill S-300 because they turn of their radar rendering my only advantage Kh31 completely useless. Can’t get closer to S-300 because of cheating, unlimited respawn 2S6.
Next thing, killing ships gives absolutely NO REWARD. The balance is worse than before
This immunity ends when Magic2/R73/chinese missiles enter the chat, as gatewidth IRCCM ignores IRCM dazzlers. Dazzler itself is in the tail, so side/front aspect missiles can and will smack you if not flared.
Entire “suppression of air defense” you speak of rely on enemy being compliant and keeping radar up. its in the same vein as “120D has 180km range in optimal conditions against compliant target”.
Su-39 is premium so you can just buy the “I win” button you desire so much… wait, why it isn’t working, why missiles sod off to narnia, why TV seekers on missiles work when they want, not when I want, why my IRCM forcefield doesn’t work on average Stinker launcher two full BRs lower, while Su25 airframe is such crud to fly that rips its wings off in level flight?
Average GRB match: I flew my GR.4 and killed 5 Pantsirs who kept their radar up permanently. You expect people to be smart and switch off their radars when they’re not needed but nope. Doesn’t work that way. Was playing 10.7 last night grinding out the ground event and my team’s SPAA were decimated.
As fun as it sounds to buy a Premium there’s no way on this Earth I am going to drop money on the Su-39 when its not on sale. I’ll rather by the Swiss Hornet, more bang for the buck and its a tech tree I actually like.
I dunno about you but my TV seekers have been working just fine and my ARMs as well. Can get a decent number of kills in my Tornado GR.1 especially with the James Strat. Also pretty good with the Hawk 200 and the AGM-65s they have.
The Su-25 complaint sounds like skill issue, I flew the Su-25 quite a bit during the first Nuclear Thunder in April and found pretty good success with it.
They all get intercepted, this is not GRB
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Now try that again with Russian made hardware.
Sus25BM in current NT run became whole new beast when I stopped wrestling with TV+laser guided ordnance and went with unguided rockets for loadout.
AmI the only one with the CCRP for the nuke on the Tornado not working ? Died twice bc of that, I need to get so close I get shot down.
Nuke CCRP only works if you get the “timer”. Usually you can get it to show up if you get some altitude. At least on the f-16
Haven’t tried but I don’t have the CCRP ‘red line’ when I get in the line of sight of the base i was bombing. Nor a timer. I checked and CCRP was on, so it kinda like didn’t understand my nuke was indeed a bomb. so I just need altitude ? Sub-optimal when you get through enemy lines