New howitzer PLZ83 sucks

First impression of PLZ is not good, why?

First off, the weak weak firepower overall is even worse than 2s1 (6.0)!! 2s1 has 122mm shell, 51mm pen and a 12 ish seconds reload . PLZ has a 152mm shell with only 49mm pen and 17.3 seconds , which is not looking good.

Worse power to weight compared to 2s3m (also at 6.3) while even having an even larger profile that 2s3m.

Survivability is only 15mm (HMG’s can pen) on the big sheet metal, which is going to be most susceptible to shots, only having halve the 30mm of the 2s3m.

It doesn’t look good nor does it deserve 6.3 br in current state. Give it better shells. Also it was allegedly able to fire soviet ammunition so giving it better soviet shells would also work.

Your opinions on the vehicle? Please tell, so we can start an uprising to improve the PLZ, hehehehhe.

What changes should happen to it?
  • Give more powerful shell
  • Move it to a lower br
  • I doesnt need change

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Yes, 6.3 BR is a bit too high for this car.


Yeah, I’d just be playing the 2s3m or the 2s1 if this howitzer stays in 6.3, making this addition redundant.

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issues with PLZ83

  1. Wrong HE ammo TNT mass (where did they get the 5.6kg TNT from?), should just copy Russian 152mm stock HE with 5.9kg TNT
  2. Wrong turret machine gun, should be type 54 instead of QJC88
  3. If no research ammo, should drop to BR6.0

Still, the stock HE is not very good and should not be in 6.0, considering the fire rate lower than the 6.0 2s1 and the worse preformance.


Sigh… The vehicle is now in live server and still not seing much improvements. I have changed the content of the discussion and added a poll if you are interested.