Scharn to op? This clip is from 1 year ago, and i have some others clips with Japanese 356mm exploding scharn’s the magazines (I need to find later), you are talking about the protection analysis that has a ton of issues and isn’t accurate, Scharn is a really good ship, great protection, speed, and decent guns but it isn’t that unkillable monster
Scharnhorst’s magazine is directly below the barbettes and is vulnerable to shells penetrating the barbettes as the splinters rains down from above. It’s become an especially reliable way to kill Scharnhorst since the splinter buff in the 2.35 update.
Not to mention the bug that makes barbette armour no longer exist. Scharnhorst, along with US standard battleships, are the most suffering victims of this particular bug.
Thats how I kill Scharnhorsts left and right. Even 305mm Naval guns of German WW1 ships onetap Scharnhorsts. I Always aim for the B turret and as soon as you hit there it explodes. It never has been diifferent. And yes, it works with alot other BBs as well. Always shot the turrets and you will get your kill…some are more vulnerable to this than others. At end most BBs always detonate. Exceptions are russian ones and US light cruisers like the Brooklyn etc. They always never detonate.
The armor on the sides of the turret is now strong enough to block Amagi’s armor-piercing shells from a distance of 8 km.
It is now nearly impossible to sink it directly by firing shots, as with other battleships.
Only now, 3 years after its introduction, does Scharn have a rival in overall power-level with Nagato. Three fucking years for one nation to get one ship of comparable strength.
With this kind of precedent I dread the inevitable additon of the Bismarck class. You just know, you just fucking know, one of the two will be a premium and will get spammed relentlessly and will be even more overpowered and will probably not even lose any crew to bombs like 2000 pounders or the 5 tonner. Why even bother grinding any naval tree beyond 5.7 when germany exists?
Of course, there is the nuclear option for iowas if things get that bad
Your NorCals and Iowas and Yamatos will blow up in 2 volleys from one of the ten invulnerable Bismarcks rampaging in your spawn or 30 seconds after spawning on African Gulf 10km away from the enemy BB blob with no cover anywhere nearby. We’ve already seen what for example air RB looks like with constant pushing of the capability boundaries with no meaningful changes to the gamemode itself, past BR ¬11.0 one team gets wiped out after the first merge 4 minutes after spawning, it’s gonna be the exact same stupid shit in naval too.
But are they immune to W23 20 kiloton nuclear shells???
It would look so cool, literally splitting entire battleships in half with one hit
Also are the Bismarck main guns even effective against Iowa and NC? Yamato should be largely immune to them too no?
I see this community has “upgraded” from yelling about actual issues (though usually louder than appropriate) to just… making things up to be mad about.
Using the one obvious low-hanging fruit doesn’t really do your rant any favours either…
Apples to steaks comparison, really. High-tier Air and Ground are generally the way they are due to the high-tech/modern weapon types found there, such as fire-and-forget missiles, especially BVR, or APFSDS shells, etc.
Naval doesn’t compare because we’re still talking about better versions of what we already have, that being battleships. Once we start to see missile ships (and similar) at higher tiers, that’s when we should be worried.
The Bismarck class is such an odd example to freak out over, because… they’re not especially great ships. If people think the Tiger has a lot of hyped up myth around it, well it’s got nothing on the Bismarcks.
(Though the increasing number of contrarians on the internet who like to swing these “myth busting” sorts of things too far in the opposite direction are also obnoxious.)
Put simply, the Bismarcks are… adequate. Not terrible, but also outclassed by most other battleships of the era, often significantly so.
nah it justifies W23 for iowa class (trust me bro)
The Bismarck, like many vehicles in-game, is painfully mid as far as military equipment goes. However, like most mid vehicles irl, the issues it had aren’t a factor in-game. She has a high on-paper RoF, a turtleback almost as good as Scharnhorsts, much stronger main guns, and more secondary guns. Those are the only factors that will actually end up mattering in the game and they’re all good-to-very good. The Scharnhorst class, for example, are also not very good ships and yet Scharnhorst is still a bit of a menace.
Bismarck and Tirpitz are going to end up being Scharnhorst, but with guns that can match (almost) every other battleship. H-39 is going to be even stronger, if Gaijin goes that far.
H-39 is definitely not needed for Germany to compete if their armor layouts continue to overperform massively. They’ll have broadside potatoes in their Tirpitz (premium, ofc) roll up to Yamatos and Iowas point blank, taking zero damage from salvo after salvo. And due to gaijin making gun accuracy arbitrarily depend on barrel length, their dispersion will be some of the best in the game for 380mm guns. Much to the chagrin of UK players, with their 381mm/L42 being horribly inaccurate.
You know whats funny, ever since this thing was introduced everyone been going crazy about how this ships armor has no weaknesses, me included, just yesterday I found out this thing does have a weakness, its just well hidden on the armor viewer 
What you see here is the citadel/turtleback roof, and as you can see, theres a bit of a bump. Below that bump are the boilers. the bump is only 80mm thick. A direct hit with APHE will cause several boilers to be destroyed or damaged (depending on placement).
Hits on the boiler tend to be severe for the ship as its crew compartments are on the outside of its citadel, meaning the loss of crew from a boiler hit tends to lead to sinking via crew loss quickly.
Funny enough this same weakness was exploited in real life. 
So if the ship is giving broadside at range, perhaps instead of aiming for those turret barbettes, perhaps just aim center mass and get some engine room hits?
We all know. Just you don’t know that exist. Though that point is too small to be aimed and pointless to aim there. Also engine is not an critical weakness like magazine or shell room in this game.
My apologies, I didn’t realize I was speaking to The Speaker of All Naval Players.
Also, ya its small, but its not that small, in almost all of the engagements I’ve had vs Scharnhorsts since I’ve found out about this weakness I’ve gotten boiler room and even transmission hits from shrapnel. And this is in a Tennessee mind you, which has subpar HE filler.
Its pretty easy to do, If a Scharnhorst is showing broadside (which they almost always do) just aim center mass right above the water line. If the shells go slight high, you get compartment hits, if it goes low you pick at his underwater armor, which will lead to diving shells sooner or later. if you hit it just right, you get a boiler room hit with massive crew loss.
And as I stated in my last post, Scharnhorst gets fucked if its internal modules take crew loss, shaving 15-25% off is basically a death sentence for a Scharnhorst due to its crew compartments not having much armor.
There’s a reason the cheater douchebag squadrons love it. Absolutely nerf it. Or better still, decompress all naval to 10.0 and make it 9.3, Tennessee & Hood 8.0
No, if he don’t repair, the crew number will not continue losing.
Just for festive leisure I did a funny experiment in user mission: I created a gun that fires 406mm shells in orbital velocity (7.9km/s) and made the shells not to take air drag. I shot several hundreds of shells with this gun on Scharnhorst and this is what I got:
Despite having nearly 20,000 mm of pen the shell still cannot pass through Scharnhorst’s turtleback.
I believe the only possible reason leading to this is the shape of the turtleback: near the waterline, the inclination angle of the turtleback is beyond the ricochet angle of nearly all shells in the game, and due to its thickness (105mm) no shell in game can overmatch it. Since the game checks ricochet first before calculating penetration vs thickness, the shell will be bounced off regardless how much penetration it has:
This again verified my evaluation made earlier in this thread: raising BR or introducing famous ships like Iowa/Yamato is not likely going to solve the Scharnhorst problem. This ship has a very specific strength that can be only offset by introducing other weaknesses such as barbette shots and flooding.
So, i was correct all along :)
