I should probably start reminding people to stop bringing up ships when they point out “what about this unfinished vehicle” because Gaijin has explicitly stated they treat ships differently.
Q: Designing a ship (not a boat) is a very serious matter, it cannot be seriously redesigned if mistakes come up when it’s already been built. That’s why everything is calculated in advance, and in truth, a ship is born long before it reaches the shipyard, it’s born in the final construction blueprints. Will navy branches include projects that were never realized in metal, but existed only in blueprints, not to mention those that never got past the stocks?
A: Yes, we’re not ruling that out, especially with regard to projects that were completely ready, but whose construction was never finished for one reason or another.
As a low-key Japan main I don’t think this should be in game, but would play the hell out of it if it was. The T-1s, T-33, trainer Vampire or early Thai jets would fill this tier better, without being ahistorical.
Personally I’m all for the Ki-201 being added to the game, it fits the criteria that at least parts of the aircraft were built so its grounded in a touch of reality (As opposed to the F-16AJ, R2Y2, Ho-Ri etc).
You can say its controversial all you want but its less so than other vehicles that have entered the game, for example the Chinese T-62 no 545 that entered the Chinese TT and started a forum debate over who truly should’ve gotten the premium. The C2A1 for its controversy of being a Canadian Leo that could have gone either in the Germany TT or the British TT. Controversial additions are nothing new in Gaijin’s case but for the Ki-201 its simple. Its a Japanese jet aircraft that is being proposed into the Japanese TT which is not only in dire need of more Rank V jet aircraft but brings a rather unique flavor to Rank V JP aviation.
I’m all for it and I love the proposed camo ideas, especially the 59th Sentai, Fukouka Japan skin. Either the quad Ho-5s or the double-twin mounts of 20mm and 30mm would be fine in my opinion. A well written and informational suggestion given the language barrier you had to contend with!
It’s different from the cases you mentioned tho. Seems like you missed the whole Zerstorer debacle, which yes it was technically made, but still had an uproar from the community. From the ones who say it’s historical to the ones which say it should have the wirbelwind turret. This aircraft had only the engines made, and that’s it. No paper/incomplete prototype vehicle was added in WT since the removal of the Paper German vehicles. None of them. The last one we could argue was the J6K1, which still was much more complete than the Ki-201. And the F-16AJ was a proposal of an already existing vehicle. The Ki-201 never existed, not even in the form of prototype or mock-up. It’s an amazing plane don’t get me wrong, but as long as Gaijin doesn’t have photographic evidence the chances of seeing it added are below 0% at least for now. The only vehicles in WT without photographic evidence (since the famous day when they removed german paper vehicles) is the Ostwind II, but since then none of this kind were added
As far as requirements go, given that at least 3 of the Ne-230 engines were built and 2-3 of the Ne-130 engines were built, the guns already exist and the airframe is effectively a larger Kikka (or slightly larger Me 262) and the plans were to give it an existing bombload. I say it fits a perfect example of what Gaijin expects out of a “unfinished Prototype” in this case.
Sure the odds might still be very slim given how little Japan gets in terms of patch contents but this jet is certain grounded in reality even more so than the F-16AJ which is completely fake by comparison.
On a final note this isn’t a case of guessing whether or not its real in the configuration presented to us like the Zerstorer 45. We have the design drawing, enough parts of the aircraft were built and the performance metrics for the guns and the engines are clearly outlined to us. we even know that the Ne-130 engines damaged themselves after being tested at 8,000RPM (Source)
Then I will be happy to wait for the “Ratte” tank, since all its parts were made one way or another, but there is no prototype or even a mock-up, and there never was, as in the case of 201.
P.s All the specifications you named are not attached to anything, you need detailed documents, drawings, as well as various sources where it could potentially have been manufactured at one time
No, because any “existing” parts for the Ratte project were just standard German equipment already in use elsewhere. The Ne-130 and Ne-230 engines were meant for the Ki-201 project.
Additional Notes
Do note that these vehicles were often planned with purpose-built equipment, such as powerplants, but during their performance projections may have utilized existing equipment or were speculated to use commonly available equipment upon completion. This will not count as “partially constructed” unless historical sources state that these equipment pieces are in fact intended as standard for the vehicle.
The P.1000 Ratte was abandoned as a project in 1943 and nothing was specifically intended for it. The main tower was built for Scharnhorst-class battleships (more precisely, the battleship Gisenau), the additional armament is a Pak 43 gun and a flak pancner cannon. It is not even certain whether a detailed design of the structure was created.
The problem is that they weren’t even assembled, how can this be considered some kind of engine? Considering that I think there are not many documents on this topic
The same applies to 201, this cannot even be considered a prototype or mock-up. Just another military project that was closed at the end of the war
Well, Flakpanzer 341 was removed from the tree. Though people still have arguments over whether or not its replacement actually existed so bruh I guess.
And before you point out the Ho-Ri Production, Gaijin still (wrongfully) insists it was built in some way so by their metric it follows their rules.
And the F-16AJ was them specifically breaking their rules for an exception.
Don’t get me wrong, I like your proposal from a historical point of view, but these sources are needed more by the company than by me, in the form of direct links to museums or personal archives for the “correct” implementation of technology in the game
As I remember, one of the Hori was made in metal, and the second in the form of collapsible parts. So…
Exceptions will always be exceptions, in essence this does not change anything except a negative attitude towards gaijin, and its whining about how players do not bring money into a free game because of such decisions
Eh, everything I’ve seen states the Ho-Ri production never existed, only maybe the prototype, which it seems both of your examples would be.
Well it gave Japan the best F-16 dogfighter which made their top tier somewhat competitive for a time. Therefore making Japan a more attractive tree to grind and increasing the sales of the F-4EJ ADTW.
