Na-To Prototype II Kai: The Final Form

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7.5cm Anti-Tank Gun Na-To Prototype II Kai
試製七糎半対戦車砲 II型 「ナト」 改修型


This is the improved version of the second Na-To prototype vehicle, built in July 1945.


History

On 23 February 1942, the Army Technical Bureau initiated a project under its Ordnance Research Plan for a long-barreled 75 mm anti-tank gun with a target muzzle velocity of 850 m/s. This followed the Army’s assessment that a more powerful anti-tank gun would be essential to counter the armored forces of the major powers, following the outbreak of the Pacific War in 1941.

However, research did not actually begin until February 1943, a year later. As the gun was to be self-propelled, responsibilities were divided between the First Research Institute, which handled the gun, and the Fourth Research Institute, which worked on the vehicle. The gun was assigned the research code 「11砲 (Gun)」, while the vehicle was designated 「21牽 (Tow)」. Development of the vehicle began one month later, in March 1943, with both research programmes scheduled for completion by March 1945.


Army Ordnance Bureau Research Plans, March 5, 1943

The gun’s design was completed in April 1944, and two prototypes were built at the Osaka Army Arsenal in July of that year. As the chassis was still being constructed, the guns were test-fired while fixed directly to the ground. However, both guns malfunctioned during these tests due to deformation of the cradle. The affected section was reinforced, and further tests were carried out from November 5 to 10. While the previous issues were resolved, a new defect appeared in the breech mechanism. Additional tests were therefore conducted from December 11 to 14, but the problem remained unresolved. Two possible solutions were considered to address this: modifying the existing breech block or designing a new breech mechanism modeled on the Type 88 Anti-Aircraft Gun. Both approaches were selected for testing.

Meanwhile, on December 10, 1944, the Sagami Arsenal completed two prototype vehicles, and from the 16th to the 20th, the guns were mounted on the chassis. Comprehensive testing, including firing and mobility trials, took place in January 1945. The mobility test took place on January 7 with the first prototype vehicle, covering a total distance of 305 km over four days, from Osaka to Irago. The firing tests were carried out from January 12 to 15. Muzzle velocities were measured at 821 m/s for the Type 1 APHE, 819 m/s for the Type 4 AP and 858 m/s for the Type 4 HE.

On January 15, the research team reached the following conclusions based on the results of the test series:

  1. The driver positioned in front of the gun shield was left completely unprotected, and the alignment between the gun shield and the chassis was improper. Their relative positioning requires redesign.
  2. The durability during driving was good overall. In the mobility trials, which covered a total distance of 305 km including irregular terrain, the average speed was 18.4 km/h, with a maximum of 40 km/h.
  3. The performance of the modified breech mechanism was generally satisfactory. However, the second proposal, which incorporated a buffer system, was deemed more suitable in terms of durability.
  4. From a production standpoint, it was considered appropriate to modify the gun to use the same parts as the Experimental 7.5 cm Tank Gun (Long), including the cradle.

Among these, the last point was a decision that had a significant impact on the development of this gun. The Experimental 7.5 cm Tank Gun (Long) began development in July 1943, about five months after the 7.5 cm anti-tank gun. It was originally designed for the Chi-Ri, but following the decision to mount it on the Chi-To as well, it was expected to become the standard tank gun of the Imperial Japanese Army.

Traditionally, Japanese gun design philosophy differentiated between tank and anti-tank guns of the same caliber: tank guns had shorter recoil lengths to enable use in confined spaces, whereas anti-tank guns had longer recoil systems to mitigate the impact of firing. However, as the war situation worsened, it became increasingly necessary to prioritize production efficiency, even at the cost of performance.


Experimental 7.5 cm Tank Gun (Long), July 1944

At that time, the Fourth Institute reported that the Na-To chassis could withstand the recoil even with the tank gun type mounted. Consequently, the Army Ordnance Bureau ordered the standardization of components for the two guns. Since these two guns shared almost no common parts apart from their barrels, this decision effectively required the development of an entirely new weapon. As a result, the new design had to be distinguished from the previous one. The earlier model was officially designated Model I (I型), and the new design was named Model II (II型).

This change caused a significant delay in the gun’s development. Work on the Model II began immediately on January 15, and in February, the Osaka Arsenal began building two prototype guns. Although progress was relatively fast, testing could not begin until May, when the project was already two months behind schedule.

In May, once the prototype vehicle modified for the Model II had been completed, the research team mounted the first completed Model II gun on it and immediately conducted trials. Before the tests began, they took several photographs. Six of these survive today and were later used as the basis for the Na-To model featured in War Thunder.


Second Na-To prototype vehicle. Current in-game model of the Na-To.

The functional tests were conducted in Osaka from the 15th to the 17th, and the ballistic tests were carried out at Irago from the 23rd to the 26th. However, the anticipated problem occurred during the tests. While firing Type 1 APHE rounds at the Irago range, the gun mounting section of the chassis suffered a structural failure. Given that the Model II’s recoil force was three times greater than that of the Model I, such a failure was unsurprising. The structure was found to lack sufficient strength, and improvements were required. As a result, the gun mount was moved 430 mm to the rear, and the lower hull was reinforced. The Fourth Research Institute also improved the ammunition stowage, increasing its capacity from 68 to 110 rounds.

After these modifications, the corrective functional test began on July 6, 1945, at the Osaka Arsenal, using the second completed gun. The trials continued until the 12th, with firing tests conducted at the Ōtsugawa range from the 9th to the 10th. Fortunately, no defects occurred in the gun mounting section, and the tests were successfully completed after firing a total of 113 rounds.


Na-To II Kai, Ōtsugawa firing range, July 1945

Once all the tests had been completed, the First and Fourth Technical Research Institutes informed the Army Ordnance Bureau that the vehicle was ready for production. At the same time, one of the guns was sent to the Armoured Bureau to prepare handling manuals. On July 11, 1945, the weapon was officially designated the Experimental Type 5 7.5 cm Anti-Tank Gun (試製五式七糎半対戦車砲), and on the 20th, its formal adoption was approved. At this point, it became the Type 5 7.5 cm Anti-Tank Gun (五式七糎半対戦車砲) and production began. The chassis were to be built at the Sagami Arsenal’s No. 1 Plant and the guns at the Osaka Arsenal’s No. 1 Plant. The Army Ordnance Bureau set the production cost at 75,000 yen for each chassis and 40,000 yen for each gun.

As of May 1945, the Army planned to produce 200 Na-To by March 1946, a significant increase from the earlier draft plan of September 1944, which had called for 100 units. This increase reflected the urgent demand for armaments as fighting on the Japanese home islands loomed. However, according to a report from the Ordnance Bureau’s Production Department, severe aluminum shortages limited the number of chassis that could be built to just 68. Nevertheless, the Sagami Arsenal planned to reduce the procurement target to 140 units and complete the first five by September 1945. However, with the end of the war, not a single one was finished. After the war, a total of 70 unfinished Na-To chassis were discovered at the Sagami Arsenal.


Na-To Production Plan at Sagami Arsenal, 1945

Similarly, the gun was scheduled for production after August, but postwar inspections found none on the production lines at the Osaka Arsenal. Given that even the tank gun, which had been given production priority, was found as only one unfinished unit, the outlook for production of this anti-tank gun was quite literally hopeless.

The fate of the two prototype vehicles after the July tests remains unclear. It seems likely that the guns were removed from the chassis, as the vehicles were not found when US forces inspected Japan’s remaining weapons after the war. This assumption is supported by a US Army report dated January 15, 1946, which identified a dismounted gun as the Type 5 7.5 cm Tank Gun (for Chi-To). However, the photographs attached to the report actually show a Na-To Gun Model II.


Photograph of the Na-To Gun taken by US Army after the war

Overall, the Na-To prototypes were likely dismantled without ever attracting the attention of the US Army because their guns had been removed. As for the guns, it is presumed that one was kept at the Army Armored Bureau in Tokyo and the other was returned to and remained at the Osaka Arsenal, although this cannot be confirmed.


Note: The section in this post describing events prior to the January tests is a summary. A more detailed explanation can be found in my “Na-To Prototype I” suggestion. If you’re interested, please take a look.


Differences between the Na-To II and the Na-To II Kai

The most noticeable difference between the May and July versions of the Na-To II is the position of the gun. Originally, the gun was mounted at the front of the hull, but was moved 430 mm rearward to improve stability. The 430 mm offset was selected because it was the optimal value that enhanced stability without negatively impacting the gun’s depression.


(Left) Na-To II, May (Right) Na-To II Kai, July

In addition, the hull floor was reinforced throughout. The floor, previously divided into three stepped levels up to the gun mounting section, was partially raised, resulting in a flatter two-level interior layout. The ammunition stowage was also increased from 68 to 110 rounds, and these additional shells were likely stored beneath the newly raised floor space. Due to these modifications, the weight of the Na-To increased from 13.4 to 13.7 tons, a gain of about 300 kg. A minor external change was the addition of support frames for the canvas cover. Despite the mounting points being in place, these frames were absent in May, but were fitted by the July tests.


(Left) Na-To II, May (Right) Na-To II Kai, July

Aside from these differences, the Na-To II and Na-To II Kai are basically the same. Although the ammunition count was increased, this doesn’t provide any practical advantage in the game and the added weight actually makes it closer to a nerf.


Specifications



Drawing of the Na-To II Kai, 日本の戦車 (1978), p.160

  • Length: 5.7 m
  • Width: 2.4 m
  • Height: 2.64 m
  • Combat weight: 13.7 t
  • Track width: 300 mm
  • Maximum speed: 40 km/h
  • Cruising speed: 18.4 km/h
  • Gradeability: 2/3
  • Turning radius: 10 m
  • Engine: Type 100 air-cooled V8 diesel
    • Bore × Stroke: 120 × 160 mm
    • Maximum power: 165 hp @ 2000 rpm
  • Armor (mm): front 12, side 12, rear 4, bottom 6
  • Armament: Experimental Type 5 7.5 cm Anti-Tank Gun (試製五式七糎半対戦車砲)
    • Caliber: 75 mm
    • Barrel length: 4230 mm
    • Muzzle velocity: 830 m/s
    • Traverse: ±20°
    • Elevation: −10° to +20°
    • Recoil length: 400 mm
  • Crew: 7
  • Ammunition (total 110 rounds): Type 1 APHE, Type 4 HE, Type 4 AP

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While not too special, it could be foldered with the current Na-To or added as a premium to supplement the 3.3 line-up.

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+1000
The additional, more concealed ammo in the Na-to Kai is a good addition, though the rearward-set gun might make “drive-out-shoot-back” combat more difficult. A well-written suggestion, well-supported by sources and images.

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Very very interesting. I was only aware of the prototype, but not the Kai version.

Also what does (Long) mean?

+1

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+1 for a folder

It simply comes from a literal translation of the official designation of the Chi-Ri (or Chi-To) gun, which was “試製七糎半戦車砲 (長).”

The “Long” (長) was added to distinguish it from other 7.5 cm tank guns that were being developed at the same time, such as those for the Ho-I or Ku-Se.

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Thar makes a lot of sense. I was wondering where the (Long) came from for the 10 cm gun of the Ho-Ri, but what you said makes sense since there is also a 10cm Howtizer

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The Ho-Ri gun is a similar case, but it was probably not labeled (Long) to distinguish it from the 10 cm howitzer. The Ho-Ri’s “十糎戦車砲 (長)” (10 cm tank gun (long)) and the “十糎榴弾砲” (10 cm howitzer) can already be clearly distinguished by name alone, even without adding (長).

The reason (長) was attached to the Ho-Ri gun’s designation was most likely to differentiate it from another 十糎戦車砲 (10 cm tank gun, research code: 73砲) that was already under development when work on the Ho-Ri gun began. That gun was originally intended for the Gun Tank Otsu (Ho-Chi) and, unlike the Ho-Ri gun, it was designed with a relatively low muzzle velocity of around 330 m/s.

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Research plan dated July 17, 1943.
The Ho-Chi’s 十糎戦車砲 is on the left, and the Ho-Ri’s 十糎戦車砲 (長) on the right.

Although the Ho-Chi gun was canceled not long after research on the Ho-Ri gun began, the “(Long)” designation remained part of the Ho-Ri gun’s official name through 1945. However, by that point there were no other 10 cm tank guns besides the Ho-Ri’s, so in official documents (for example, the June 1945 test schedule), the (Long) was sometimes omitted and it was simply written as “試製十糎戦車砲.”

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That’s pretty interesting. I learned something new today. I need to learn Japanese, so I can learn stuff like the Ho-Chi gun being differentiated from the Ho-Ri.

I’m guessing the “II” in Na-To refers to the gun model used?

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Yes, that’s correct. Model I (I型) and Model II (II型) were designations applied only to the gun when it was redesigned in January. In fact, aside from that, the various Na-To variants were never distinguished by specific official names. Terms like “Na-To Prototype I,” “II,” or “II Kai” were assigned later simply for the sake of differentiation.

From the perspective of the researchers at the time, all of this was merely part of the process of developing the completed Na-To, so there was no real reason to give separate names to the intermediate vehicles.

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II Kai isn’t an official designation? Or am I misunderstanding what you wrote?

I guess your point here gives me something to think about. I was thinking about writing a suggestion for the Ho-Ro “Production”, but that moniker is obviously unofficial. The one we have in WT, which also saw combat, can be thought of a pre-production (not sure about prototype), but to the IJA, I’m sure they were all simply viewed as being part of the development process for the Ho-Ro

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Yes. As I mentioned earlier, “II” was only a designation attached to the gun, and the vehicle itself was not officially given the name “II.”

And as you may already know, Kai is the reading of the character “改,” taken from 改修型, which means a modified type in Japanese. I used it merely as a convenient term to indicate a modified vehicle. It is not an official name given to this vehicle.

I have not read through all of the Na-To research notes, but as far as I am aware, the reports simply state that the vehicle was modified; they do not appear to assign the finished vehicle an official designation such as 改修型. In the first place, the May Na-To II (the vehicle currently in-game) was not considered a finalized vehicle that could serve as a proper baseline from the researchers’ perspective, so there would have been no reason to designate later versions as 改修型.


EDIT: And regarding the Ho-Ro, in Japan it seems that vehicles produced prior to the production model (including the one in WT) are generally classified as prototypes, at least from a modern perspective.

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Now that I think about it, I explained this part incorrectly. Since the Na-To was not a tank but a self-propelled gun, it would not be incorrect to refer to the entire Na-To including the chassis as Model I and Model II based on the gun. I explained it that way simply because in official documents they did not use a designation such as SPATG in the name of the Na-To but instead referred to it as Experimental ATG Model I or Model II. The reason, as I explained in my suggestion, is that they did not develop a separate towed version.

As for Kai, as noted, it was simply an arbitrarily assigned name, since this was a term commonly used to designate modified versions of Japanese tanks.

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1+, nice one.
Now that crews have physics based on vehicle movement so we need more open top AFVs !

+1 can always use another ww2 Japanese SPG

For it to look different I would suggest having a fabric cover over the back