Move yak130 to 8,7. (air rb)

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Move yak130 to 8.7.

It’s literally a worse La-15, with 120 rounds of ammo on a gun that points 2 degrees downward

The plane’s acceleration is good, but it gets out fought by so many things, using the AOA button literally does nothing but ruin your yaw and roll while your pitch doesn’t really change

The gun is great, gsh23l is one of the best guns in game, but 120 rounds of ammo on a plane that refuses to snap around and on a gun that slightly leads downwards is a huge detriment.

The CL13B Mk6 dogs this thing
The MiG17 dogs this thing
The F86F40 dogs this thing
The F4D dogs this thing
The MiG15 bis dogs this thing
The F80C dogs this thing
Every missile slinger dogs this thing
It’s the Zero and F-5C all over again: Overrated, yet nobody knows how to deal with it.

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Imagine you’re in a 7.7. How do you deal with a plane that climbs 55% better than a Mig 15 Bis, and turns almost as tight?
But I’m on board, further compressing downwards will be funny.

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It’s not particularly struggling at its br and gaijin relies pretty heavily on stats for balance, not to mention at 8.7 it’s gonna fight the A-4E early which is just an objectively worse plane in every way.

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Everything Ive heard abaout the Yak-130 in ARB is that it should be 9.3 because of how well it handles, but is stuck due to the lack of missiles, CMs or RWR.

So I dont see why it should move down to 8.7 when its a very solid gunfighter

They just need to decompress that BR range

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MB326K will dog on the Yak-130.
Either way, it’s fine at 9.0.

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Ariete is better than it at that br and they are practically the same in function

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The Ki-27 will mog the ever living fuck out of the MB326K too, but a certain element is missing in this statement, innit?

I do agree that 9.0 is okay for the Yak-130.

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Where did the MB326K even get bring up?

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Ariete isn’t a ground pounder?

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It’s 7.7, and at 8.7 there would be a rather notable chance of seeing one.

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Ah… sorry i saw mb and thought u meant the Italian yak 130 and got confused. M-346… close enough.

Yeah, the fm of the yak 130 is pretty good, i just think people get used to flying jets like the f4s and so on that they get board of planes with no missiles. I know i do, i love bvr gameplay.

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Its a strike aircraft, I dono, Maybe use it to attack ground stuff instead of dog fighting fighters.
Why compare it to fighters and not other CAS aircraft like it?

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Mantis doing mantis thing again.
Play a vehicle, crying about a buff when he doesn’t like it.

I see no reason that Yak-130 need to share same BR with

Swift F.7
Venom FB.4
Buccaneer S.1
Mystere IV
FJ-4B
and A-4B/E.

or even F-117 /j
There are still some 8.7BR jet which would act drastically worse than Yak-130 exists.

NR-23 with 50 rounds of ammo on Yak-28B wants to say hi to you.
Also, isn’t it quite normal that Eastern planes carries fewer ammo than western counterparts? no?

it is quite funny that Yak-130 is currently classified as Strike Aircraft and you are comparing it with fighter jets

While last time I said no about buff F-5C approx more than half year ago and I reasoned with ‘Sea Harrier’
You immediately dismissed my claim in the name of "Harrier is a strike jet, play proper fighter jet’ or something. When Sea Harrier IRL was fighter jet of FAA, and it just classified as strike jet in War Thunder.

So, if we apply your theory, which you brought up last time.

You can complain abut Yak-130 while you need to give up complaining about F-5C, if we bring IRL classification, because
-if it would be fine to compare Yak-130 with other fighter jets because it is a light combat aircraft.
-Then you should stop complaining about F-5C because it is better than Sea Harrier FRS.1 (Early/Late), which has non-historical, underrated POS FM compared to F-5C, while SHAR are also fighter jets and would be fine to compare with F-5C.

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You can complain about F-5C and want to debunk my claim about SHAR FRS.1, because Gaijin classified it as a strike jet in War Thunder. Like “Stop comparing strike jets with fighter jets” or something
-Then you should stop complaining about Yak-130 and stop comparing it with other fighter jets because Gaijin classified Yak-130 as a strike jet.

You placed yourself in a Catch-22 position. Or you let me fork your pieces with blunders.

Don’t bring Zero up for complaining about Yak-130.

Unlike Zero, Yak-130 has better flight characteristics than A-4E Early (Which might be the counterpart of Yak-130 if Yak-130 get buffs from 9.0 to 8.7)

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I mean, the I225 climbs twice as good as a Ki84 yet the Ki84 is usually a better aircraft, the Ki83 also climbs better than the Mustang yet the Mustang is overall a better aircraft, the F101C has insane climb rate yet the MiG19 is the better aircraft.

And no, the yak130 doesn’t even turn “almost as tight”, it turns far worse than a Swift F7.

I see that people still go bananas over a plane having a good engine as if it solved every single issue the airframe has.

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NR-23 with 50 rounds of ammo on Yak-28B wants to say hi to you.

iT’S A BOMBER. The Yak130 is an ATTACKER, and most attackers in this game have 500 plus rounds of ammo.

Also, isn’t it quite normal that Eastern planes carries fewer ammo than western counterparts? no?

So, literally another point to move it down 0.3 br

it is quite funny that Yak-130 is currently classified as Strike Aircraft and you are comparing it with fighter jets

The FA18D Super Hornet is also a strike aircraft, yet it has been the best dogfighter in the game recently.

While last time I said no about buff F-5C approx more than half year ago and I reasoned with ‘Sea Harrier’
You immediately dismissed my claim in the name of "Harrier is a strike jet, play proper fighter jet’ or something. *When Sea Harrier IRL was fighter jet of FAA, and it just classified as strike jet in War Thunder.

The irony is that the Yak130 is a dogfighter in real life, with modern avionics and a refined FCS while in the game it’s literally just a bait mobile, hard to kill but which can’t kill stuff either. Even comparing the yak130 to the Harrier, the Yak130 seems to be more of an appropriate fighter than the Harrier, which actually can dogfight pretty well if you learned how to use the thrust vectoring. I’ve literally won EUrofighters on the AV8B Matador by using TV once they were doing their AOA BS.

-Then you should stop complaining about F-5C because it is better than Sea Harrier FRS.1 (Early/Late), which has non-historical, underrated POS FM compared to F-5C, while SHAR are also fighter jets and would be fine to compare with F-5C.

Harriers never had “great flight models”, and the F-5C still gets spanked by Su25s in dogfights, so IDK what your point is with “overperformance” on the f-5C, you can literally energy trap them by going up.

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It does not, or at least if it is then it’s a bug.

It DEFINITELY helps with the Pitch. The Roll and Rudder does get a bit spongey though.

The Gsh-23 isn’t that good, it does a lot of damage but it really lacks velocity which makes it hard to aim. Especially on a subsonic platform.

The Low ammo count is probably the only complaint I have about the Yak-130.

Dedicated fighters are better at fighting than a Trainer? Preposterous.

You can easily dodge AIM-9B’s and E’s. Which is what you’ll mostly be facing.

The Yak-130 is an Advanced Trainer. But since it is classified as an attacker in WT for some reason:

most Russian Attackers have <500 rounds of ammo.
Su-7/17/22 has 160, Yak-38 has 160, Su-25 has 250 (the 25T and TM only have 200), The MiG-27s have 300, the Su-34 has 180…

The only Russian Attacker with 500 rounds is the Su-24, and that has exactly 500.

It’s one of the best FMs for subsonic jets imo for one circle fights. Especially considering it has an AOA button. The only issue I’ve faced with it has been the lack of AB making it hard for sustained turns, but the Yak-130 is an ITR monster. It really only lacks in energy fighting.

It’s sort of like a Zero, in that way.

The F/A-18D is not a Super Hornet. It is a Legacy Hornet.
None of the Hornets have ever been the best dogfighter in the game.
Also, Did you just call a Multirole Fighter a strike aircraft?

It is an advanced trainer. Not a dogfighter.

Losing to a Su-25 in a F-5 is… embarrassing.

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Yes, according to Yak-28B’s designation in War Thunder, it is a bomber. And Yak-130 is an attacker.

Let me introduce a batch of strike aircrafts which has fewer than 500 rounds, excluding WWII-era prop strike aircrafts; only jets.

A-4B/E Skyhawk + A-4N Ayit.
200 rds of 20mm Browning Colt(USA)/ or 300 rds of 30mm DEFA (Israel)

Alpha jets
150rds of 27mm BK-27

Jaguar GR.1/1A(UK), A/E(France)
300 rds of 30mm ADEN/DEFA.

Etendard IVM - 240 rds of DEFA, Super Etendard - 250rds of DEFA

Su-7B/BKL/BMK, Su-17M2/M4, Su-22M3/M4
160rds of 30mm NR-30

Su-22UM3K
80rds of 30mm NR-30

Harrier I variants (AV-8A/C/S/GR.1&3)
260rds of 30mm ADEN

Su-25
200~250rds of GSh-30-2. (varies by variant)

Su-34
180rds of GSh-30-1

Hawk 200
200 rds of ADEN

Harrier GR.7/T.10
204rds of ADEN 25.

Tornado GR.1 equivalents (GR.1 and exported Tonka)
360rds of BK-27

Tornado GR.4
180rds of BK-27

Jaguar IS(UK/India)
150 rds of ADEN

Buccaneer S.1/S.2/S.2B
NO GUNS

And there are many more.

Most attackers in this game have 500 plus rounds of ammo?
That is a blunt lie.

No, it isn’t. If we apply the same reasoning, Su-7 need to go back to 9.0BR and use a supersonic fuselage to ravage subsonic jets because it only has 160 ammo in total.

If we follow your in-game specification, Malaya F/A-18D in japanese tech tree are classified as a Fighter, not a strike aircraft.
Also, it is a legacy Hornet.

It is a bait machine in IRL too. /j; that thing is designed for Light Combat Aircraft, such as Alpha Jet or Pucara. If you can’t kill something because you have too few ammo carries, then blame Yakoblev. Those lads are the one who decides to mount ammo like that.

Do you know how many years’ gap exists between the introduction of Yak-130 and the introduction of Harrier 1?
When Yak-130 were introduced, Harrier 1 was retired from British forces. (SHAR FA.2 retired in March 2006.)

You are mixing things; Matadors in this game are AV-8S, not AV-8B, based on Harrier 1 fuselage. Thai(Ex-Spanish, Japanese tech tree)
And AV-8B is Harrier 2; it has bigger wings. Of course it dogfights well, compared to that underrated FM junk Harrier 1 in this game, which totally dominated the skies of the Falklands.

Also, you know that? Matador cannot face Eurofighter unless you decide to do troll-squad, or custom match.
Early version with 2x AIM-9P on 9.7BR while late version with 4x AIM-9L is on 11.0BR
And Eurofighters are starting with 14.3BR. (PESA on 14.3, AESA on 14.7)

Yes, because Gaijin hates Brits.
Harrier should’ve had great FM. I heard there are bug reports about those; some of em are approved, and some of those aren’t implemented. Still, Harrier’s FM are not great, compared to IRL.

Unlike F-5C’s FM, which is overperforming.

If you get spanked by Su-25 while flying F-5C, it is more a skill issue of yours.
While if you spank enemy F-5C while you play Su-25, then it is more a skill issue of theirs.

Anecdotal fallacy.

  1. F-5C’s FM is overperforming compared to it’s irl performance.
  2. You completely got things wrong. Why I mentioned the F-5C debate this time is
    -You dismissed my opinion about “F-5C shouldn’t be lower BR because there are a lot of jets that fly worse than F-5C exist, including SHAR” because “SHAR are strike jets.”
    -and you are comparing Yak-130 with other fighter jets, and yet complaining.
    I am talking about your double standards.

Anyway, further discussion about F-5C seems off-topic, so let’s get back to ‘why Yak-130 shouldn’t be moved to 8.7 in Air RB’. Shall we?

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Why are you like this
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After reading your responses, I can clearly see that you are 100% trolling