Most likely it will penetrate at point blank on perfect angle but as soon as little bit distance and angle enters the chat it will most likely change the outcome like you said.
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the Bhishma is missing the APS system as well as the laser warning system too, thouhg is also slightly slower if you mount the plow.
but aye functionally very similar if you remove the BM42 from the 90A
11.3 china has the ZTZ 99s which go 65 mate at 11.0
lower UFP ? what ? xD
You mean the Lower frontal plate which is huge?
The lack of LWS is kinda sad but the APS system on the T-90A is basically useless at its BR so it isn’t really missing anything.
That’s true. I was thinking more along the lines of the ZTZ96A.
But as you pointed out, there’s even more of a reason to say the T-80UDs are slow…
No, lower UFP:
Be that as it may, it’s still a system which the T90A has and the Bhishma doesn’t , it may come into effect if some maniac uses a lower BR missile.
They’re not that slow though, top end speeds only 5 behind that of the arietes but they also have good acceleration due to that 1000HP engine.
I mean you can get through that with quite a few rounds it’s the same on the T series if you shoot under the ERA bricks.
Though I absolutely dispise the MBT2000 anyways so I rarely use it now a days.
I guess, but if you die to a lower BR missile, you kinda deserve it 😅
Well, compared to the ultra-mobile NATO MBTs and the better acceleration, higher top speed of the T-80U, I’d say it’s slow.
Yeah, though 3BM46 makes it more reliable.
I think they should be 11.3 if the T-72B3 is fine at 11.3 (which it seems to be the case)…
Worse gun handling and armour for much more usable mobility.
I mean 3BM46 is one of the worse rounds at those BRs TBF mate, as well as that you’re firing where they are lacking armour, it’ll go through the same spot on places like the 2A4M and what not.
Even then the mobility I still take the two ZTZ99 II and III over it, the armour is ass, the engine is too loud, the optics are decent but gen 1 thermals is more a hinderance than a bonus etc. Just really dislike it.
the T72B3 at 11.3 I haven’t even touched either in a long time, it’s terrible as well, I take the T80B over it. easily.
i mean the HP/PT on the T80UD isn’t that bad at all mate mobility wise, the “ultra- mobile” nato MBTs also lack it’s armour, which is exactly why it’ does so well where it is.
The T80UD is quite nimble again due to having a 1000 HP engine and not the same crap 800 odds the or god forbid 700 odds the T72s get at the same BR , well now slightly lower BR.
Acceleration is okay but nothing crazy. The top speed is one of the worst for 10.7+ MBTs, and the reverse speed is garbage.
The T-80UD also lacks gun handling and good gun depression, which is a pain to work around.
I’d choose most NATO MBTs in most cases over the T-80UD.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s good at 10.7 but it isn’t anything crazy.
It’s okay but nothing crazy.
3BM46 isn’t anything special, yes, but it isn’t the worst. 120mm DM33, DTW2-105, and M900 are worse.
3BM46 will always do more spalling than 3BM42, and of course both will go through the LEO 2A4M from the same places (the 2A4M has really thick armour and really thin armour).
But there can be a lot of cases where 3BM46 will penetrate while 3BM42 won’t (like the Al-Khalid example I mentioned earlier).
21.7 HP/PT is pretty damn good still like I said it’s not stupid fast but it still has decent mobility.
I’ll check it when I get back but I’m sure the 3BM42 can still go through there on the MBT2000
Challenger DS has 20.6 HP/TON, so is it also pretty damn good?
Yeah the mobility is decent but definitely not great. All 10.7+ NATO MBTs have better mobility than it.
With the MBT-2000, it’s impossible with 3BM42 unless you hit exactly within a small gap:
3BM46 has a little better leeway.
No not really, those are just never confirmed, T-72BA is essentually just T-72B 1989 with more modern wind sensor (T-72B before didnt have it and only got it in 1991) and V92S2 engine. IIRC there might be suspension/track upgrade to match T-90A’s but im uncertain and it’s irrevelant to the game as it wont change anything but looks.
T-72BA is often misconcepted to be more than that but no, it’s really just what I listed and nothing more.
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still a lot of metal
Raw thickness does not dictate durability. The steel grade itself matters the most.
Tracks are not rated to be struck, which is why they break easily. They’re an easily replaced component.
The problem Gaijin has is that they see “thickness” and don’t account for armor snapping easily or bending under impact. This is the same reason tanks like the T-34 are volumetric hell.
Structural steel is soft, easily bent even by a hammer. It shouldn’t really count as armor at all against an AP round, yet it does.
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the structural armor is not causing that but the side armour itself
the structural armour doesnt really do anything in that sideshot, the rounds just overmatch it
This is what causes it, alongisde the overlapping of the 40mm from the side armour
This is clearly false and is only taken into account during penetrations for some reason. The LOS thickness of the plate on the side is nowhere near 700mm.
As seen with a similar comparison here, the Abrams Turret Cheek is 900mm thick. The difference is more than 500mm when compared to the side plate of a T-34.
This plate is clearly not 700mm thick. Taken from the side, it’s at best 400~ give or take.
It’s roughly equal in size to this block.
The game simply struggles to calculates horizontal plates, but the side skirt is not being the cause.
Once again, you are ignoring that there’s an “overpen” mechanic in this game. When a shell does not overpen on a horizontal plate, it takes into account ALL thickness. The game freaks out on 90-degree angles, which is exactly the point I am making.
The structural steel IS being counted, that’s where the extra 300mm protection on that plate comes from. It just isn’t shown when you overpen the tank. This game is fucky.
You are ignoring that the overpen is working on the side skirt, not on the overlaping plates… as the 40mm plate is interrupting that mechanic, if you get a round that can overmatch the 40mm side armour then it doesnt happen,
You can see here how the side skirt overmatched
No, I’m not.
When the game considers something an overpen, it basically stops caring altogether and vice versa.
The shell just starts going through things randomly when it physically can’t. You also don’t seem to be aware that there’s a mechanic called “normalization”, which affects capped rounds and would prevent the 700mm thickness altogether.