Move Su-27 to 14.0, move Yak-141 to 12.7, move MiG-29G to 13.0

true, i was having my mind on the hungarian gripen

this is not about top tier air rb, i could bring my stats on f-16a block 10 which are close to his slightly better one son the supposedly best top tier in game. He should be slapping from the start while I started with AIM9J’s on a poorly implemented flight model, and yet here we are. (Yes I got the A block 10 when it barely pulled 12g’s on minimum load)

the f-15a is bad, the aim9m’s are literally the only thing holding it’s br where it is while russia gets reliable things from the beginning. Hell, even the god damn vulcan placement makes it recoil so much you will miss your shot, botch your trajectory and ruin the entire fight.

Not complaining doesnt make someone be right.

R73
Reliable

wouldnt call them that, they are about as reliable as Aim9M

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The Su-27 is superior, fym, it has better BVR, more DF capability, etc.

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how so? they have the same irccm as magic 2, the same acceleration and twice the range, plus thrust vectoring. Are we going double standards now? Pushing more narrative?

man had to pick a set of planes, which between them have not even 100 battles between them to make me “look bad”

how sad 😂😂😂

how miserable you must be!
you have to try to “stat shame” and fail even at that, you are an utter flop on the forums. at least you make for a good comedy show.

you clearly don’t understand what “statistics” means, because anyone else worth their salt would say “well the numbers on the Sea Fury and Lightning aren’t a big enough sample”
As for the Swift, I haven’t spaded it (I find the gun placement to be a pain in the arse) and much prefer the F.1

pulling someone’s stats is just as bad man

did you get mixed up with playing my little pony or something? I’ve had 9Ls, which have no real IRCCM, go straight through a target’s flares and reacquire the target, even with a turn. That’s 9Ls. 9Ms are even more notorious for doing that.

my experience is a really important set of words
in my experience most people struggle more with AIM-9Ms because it doesn’t matter as much if you pre-flare. you still need to turn away and simultaneously deploy enough CMs to get the seeker to switch off.

To, oh I don’t know, get a shot that is less likely to be flared? R-73 is still going to get flared in anything that isn’t the rear aspect.

the F-5E is 10.7 and the J-7E is 11.0.
There is a significantly higher chance they’re going to see subsonics. Unlike the Yak-141, which everyone can run away from.

Last I checked the Yak-141 can’t fire missiles through mountains or if it’s dead. They are a priority target for me to kill, on account of their missiles and their ability to outmanouevre most aircraft at that BR.

Subjective statement if you ask me. I thought the F-16 was very good when it was introduced.

So i’m guessing the F-16 just decided not to use his missiles? Not really a fair test in terms of capability. Not denying the MiG-19 is a very good airframe but last I checked it can’t really out energy a AIM-9L

Bro thought he was cooking there but he was in fact burning in a fireball… like he does in every 1v1 he takes.

Remember, you’re the guy who complains that Phoenixes are OP and can’t dodge/evade them

The Gripen doesn’t have Sparrows. It has Skyflash.

I mean I wouldn’t know… I’ve never been embarrassed enough to get shot down by one when ive been low and multipathing. Sounds like you just weren’t low enough. Or weren’t using terrain. Or were just not good enough.

Bruh. Man isn’t even cooking so much as building a cryogenic freezer and shutting himself in.

Probably the only thing we might actually agree on.

Aside from the obvious “well Air RB needs decompression” but then again that’s obvious to every man and his dog.

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More often than not, Thrust Vectoring harms the missile, especially at low speed, where it just spins out.
in certain situations it also makes the missile pull way too much AOA, bleeding all of its speed.

Yes The Rothschild family paid me to do it .

Assuming that by DF you mean dogfight… No, an F15 with more than 3 functioning neurons will run a train on the SU27. The Flanker bleed a LOT of speed, and once its under 500kmh its basically done. The F15 just pulls AOA and energy from the void.

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Listen, I have only played the Gripen, but from my perspective, the Su-27S/SK is better than the F-15A-18

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Listen, i have played the Flanker, once you go under 500kmh you turn into a rock. If you keep above that , maybe you stand a chance. If you manage to keep above youll likely die anyway , unless the F15 overshoots. The redeeming quality of the SU27 is the suspended armament it gets to use

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??? You won’t go into guns dogfights, if anything the R-73 will do it’s job before the F-15 gets a gun solution due to the AIM-9Ms being so terribly modelled in this game

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in most dogfights i got in sim , the R73 didnt make much of a difference, as long as you stay close enough to the flanker, R73 shouldnt be able to touch you, due to the previously mentioned TVC issues.

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Could have left it at that, instead youve chosen to further continue in derailing the topic with the stat talk

Example of a TVC missile doing exactly that for you:

(100% reproducible as well)

More often than not, Thrust Vectoring harms the missile, especially at low speed, where it just spins out.
in certain situations it also makes the missile pull way too much AOA, bleeding all of its speed.

In other words: you found skillful players that know how to avoid getting into the WEZ of your missile.

R73 does this, but instead of wobbling around, it just straight up spins out , this is an issue when launched under 500-400kmh

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Not really no, even when i had a good launch solution, the missile decided to spin out, its an issue with the autopilot of the R73 at low speeds

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For SRAAM its if you fire within 400m

but yeah, they really need to rework these missiles

Otherwise IRIS-T is not gunna be fun

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it does not; it has to do more with the enemy aircraft being many degrees behind your nose making the missile pull more AOA and stalling itself out, then spinning into oblivion because of it’s thrust vectoring. The moment an enemy sits within the zone the missile will detonate near it barely 5 meters away; enough to get the frag.

Holy skill issue have you tried not complaining about the game for once?

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