Modern ARH (FOX 3) Missile - History, Performance & Discussion

Thats literally Ukrainian made seeker…

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I’m talking about the ones with the MK-80/MK-80M seeker

Japan also should have actually JP MAWS option, ie the F-15J(M)'s rear waring sensor, the F-15J(M)'s IRST pod (which can function as a MAWS). And the F-2’s AESA should be able to detect missile launches (It is unclear if IRL this is only for high caliber ASM/Cruise missiles, or smaller AAMs, however warthunder puts them in the same detection category so it really shouldn’t matter).

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That’s cool, so f-2 basically gets frontal radar maws, and f15jm gets frontal ir maws?

Yeah the F-15JM gets front IR (With the pod), rear radar. The F-2’s Missile detection is a bit more ambiguous though, as there’s nothing saying it’s specifically part of the ECM package. Given the context around how it’s talked about, it’s most likely just for detecting launches to intercept with AAM-4s, so its kinda unclear how it would work in game. As it is technically a launch detection, but it’s not really for that kind of use, you know?

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mk80 seeker is for R-73, not R-27…
read better please

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I just haven’t seen a study showing quantified benefits of dual pulse yet. I understand the theory as to why it’s better.

There are variants of the R-27ET with these seekers.
I’m particularly interested in the one with the MK-80M with the insane HOBS

I didn’t say dual pulse.

I haven’t seen evidence of more than 2 pulse, also each pulse reduces the volume efficiency of a motor.

isn’t mk-80m a r-74 seekerhead

It’s the R-73M seeker. The R-74M uses the MK-2000

You know, with my recently accepted AAM-4 motor bug report, I wonder if it gets implemented if it will be enough to push japan back to having the best ARH in the game again. (Hopefully then we’d finally have a 14.0 if nothing else).

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link?

Bug Report, basically it will make the missile have the second highest deltaV of any ARH behind the fakour. From messing around on statshark simulations (my user missions have been broken since leviathans), it is multiple seconds faster to target in many situations.

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so it will be straight up the best modern long range fox 3 in the game, while still being like top 4 in close range performance (mica, 77 / 771, pl-12 better than it). sounds like a nasty missile.

im not 100% sure you’re assumption that the fill rate is 80-90% holds very well at all, imo im expecting about 75kg ±5 from a 102kg motor… based on other motors from that time frame.

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Even at the lowest estimate of 75kg I made it would still have more deltaV then any modern ARH besides the mica. (The claim i made in here about it being the second highest DV was assuming 80kg, as that was the middle ground between the percentage weight and the volume weight estimations).

Either way you look at it the missile is underperforming in deltaV in game, it’s just by exactly how much that’s slightly ambiguous.

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Agreed, i hope it does get improved, like all of the ARH missiles tbh…

I suddenly really want to finish my japan grind…