if i recall the AAM-4 is equal to AIM-120C-5 but its artificially nerfed to fit the balance of the game
maybe later it’ll be corrected to a more realistic standard
4 Likes
This, this is what should be discussed
F-2 on the horizon which will only use AAM-4 without amraam
4 Likes
Which is a pretty weak argument here. If there was no Japanese equivalent, sure, but as long as AAM-3 is implemented the way it is there is no reason for the AIM-9M.
It’s not removed, because the F-15J never had it. In fact, the entire nation of Japan didn’t.
By the logic of “historical weapon for the F-15 platform” I wonder why GBU-8 was removed. The capability is there, the need is greater because there is no Japanese equivalent in game. The only reason for that is historical accuracy.
This accuracy shouldn’t be applied differently to different weapons.
I guess this is another issue, and is the same as vehicle implementation, but there needs to be clear cut rules rather than subjective dev judgement.
For example a simple set of:
Historically used weapons are added to the nation that used them, historically tested weapons are added to the nation that tested them, exceptions of not used weapons can be made for gameplay need
…is clear enough to make sense, and make bug reports possible for missing armament, and even still gives room for subjective balance decisions like the countermeasures on all F-5A/Cs, yet somehow Gaijin never released anything like this, and treat different weapons and vehicles with seemingly varying criteria.
5 Likes
If i also recall the F-15MJ (F-15J(M)) can operate the GCS-1, not sure if its the 750lb/kg idk the diff fuck it we ball or the 500lb/kg
Ig thats a means of missing ordinance
Penguin ASM magically being able to track tanks, Kh-38MT’s very existance
GCS-1 somehow being unable to track tanks despite being proven countless times that it can (come on gaijin give us our GCS-1 u had it in the game since 2021)
2 Likes
@MAUSWAFFE
We are not playing as the Japanese airforce. YOU can LARP as them if you want, but that doesn’t give you the right to strip options away from other players.
You have no right to claim historical weapons are ahistorical over biases.
The F-15s used AIM-9Ms and all of them can. The objective rules of manufacturers and War Thunder dictate that. These rules are clear cut and have always existed.
And as I said, the modification RP requirements do not change if weapons are removed, the RP from that weapon gets distributed among the remaining modifications.
The manufacturer of F-5 made all F-5A onward capable of receiving countermeasure add-ons from the start, it’s in-line with the rules.
The manufacturer’s word is the baseline, this has always been the case, this is not Gaijin, this is not subjective.
u know its bad when they even ignore proof from the japanese mod.go (Public information - Unclassified so gaijin dont smite me im being good ok?)
or just outright say its not historical, or make up a very comically lame excuse
Yes, it would be 9 500lb Mk82 GCS-1, three on each MER (instead of six, because GCS-1 seekers don’t fit when trying to mount more). I don’t think the F-15J used JM117 750lb bombs, so that would mean no 750lb GCS-1 unless I missed something.
Sadly this isn’t missing armament, since GCS-1 is not in game yet. So it would be a suggestion.
5 Likes
We are not playing as the Japanese airforce. YOU can LARP as them if you want, but that doesn’t give you the right ti strip options away from other players.
You have no right to claim historical weapons are ahistorical over biases.
Then if thats the case why hasnt the F-15J/MJ recieved GBU-8’s, if we are going by an ahistorical basis
F-15’s were able to use GBU-8’s so why doesnt japan have it?
2 Likes
GCS-1 is in the game well in the live server files since 2021 but held back by “no proof it can track tanks”
The community: so heres proof
gaijin: CANT SEE THAT SORRY
(watch this get hidden lmao)
3 Likes
Yeah, I hope Gaijin change their mind on this. We have more info on Japanese air to surface IR than there is for Penguin locking ground targets, so I hope to see GCS-1 and ASM-2 implemented with F-2.
6 Likes
That depends, because the F-15A USA got is a later F-15A made after the later F-15Cs which themselves are made after the F-15J.
The reason the F-15J uses its own countermeasure system was because the F-15Cs weren’t fitted with them yet in US service though were about to be.
The F-15J is the oldest F-15 in the game, and GBU-8 would have to be proven usable on those older F-15s.
I am not saying it can or cannot, just laying down the requirements needed for proof.
if they implement the F-2 next update it would be amazing and if GCS-1 implemented for all the craft that carried it would be a huge bonus
1 Like
just laying down the requirements needed for proof
meanwhile we get missiles that dont exist, based off a mockup from a brochure, ASM’s magically being able to track tanks (tanks are just boats on land source: trust me bro)
I think if they can allow ahistorical nonsense like that. I’m very sure they can let it slide
1 Like
I will not address any posts that are talking about anything other than the F-15J.
Especially bait.
Dang if only people talked about the actual gameplay of the jet
2 Likes
Not really bait, if other F-15’s can get its kit, why cant the F-15J? if all F-15’s can use including the 15J despite never operating 9M’s but on an ahistorical basis can
why cant 15J get GBU-8’s etc?
Why allow 9M’s to be on the 15J despite never operating them, but GBU-8’s is where the line is drawn
Japan’s top tier is already extremely limited, to a F-16 that barely holds its weight and a Gripen which in todays meta is severely underperforming
Only reliable jet to compete with todays meta is the F-15J/MJ so why cant it get guided munitions but the 9M sidewinder be acceptable
Great! If this is a rule Gaijin are willing to live by I am fine with it. Give every aircraft all compatible armament. But then do it properly, and not just where Gaijin feels like it.
For example that same F-15J is also missing GBU-8, the capability was there from the very start and never removed, so why are they missing?
And while we’re at it, how about AIM-7F? Not only are they compatible, but even used by Japan, but not in game. You can argue they are redundant, but that’s the same as AIM-9M to AAM-3 currently.
This is what I meant, they are inconsistent. What we need is clear structure. To make sure every vehicle and every weapon from every nation in the game is treated with the same, fair and clear logic that is easy to add onto with bug reports and suggestions, rather than the mess we have now.
Personally I’d like to see it done like this:
Spoiler
- Armament used in service by a nation is added to the nation’s aircraft
- Armament tested by a nation is added to the nation’s aircraft
- If a nation didn’t use or test an armament, it is not added to the nation’s aircraft. Exceptions can be:
- Armament offered as compatible for export is added to the exporting nation’s aircraft, even if they don’t use it. This actually gives a benefit of more versatile armament to exporting nations.
- Armament that’s compatible (without needing modification) and in inventory of a nation, but not used on a specific aircraft can be considered
- Countermeasures as a balance case, similar to what they did with the F-5A/Cs
…but that’s just one of many ways to do it. Gaijin really just have to pick one and stick with it.
6 Likes
It’s a big hit and miss with some things, either by intentional negligence or “Balancing” reasoning
Which I think is completely bogus
I hope gaijin adds the GBU-8 to the F-15J/MJ, it would help it out quite a bit
That is a criticism of Gaijin’s fear of redundancy, and that’s tied to the fact they like to put specific weapons behind specific mods.
All tech trees have examples of dated weaponry that can be fired not being present, or sometimes removed when more capable weapons are added; this is especially seen in tanks tho that’s off-topic.
I’m glad my point about the ruleset got to you, and I’ll reiterate for you again just in case:
1- Vehicle manufacturer documents.
2- Weapon manufacturer documents.
3- Photographs.
4- Tests.
I support this system of adding weapons.
I negatively criticize Gaijin’s fear about weapon “clutter”. If vehicle mods are an issue make combined mods, have the weakest weapons as entirely stock, etc.
1 Like