benelux is real joke,i know so much things about belgians equipement,beside doing stupid copypaste they didn’t any interesting vehicle beside the fokker (that is dutch…) belgium had so much potential,but i know gaijin won’t ever do something about that! its way more better to add like?? A PREMIUM DUTCH F5!
i say it again,subtrees really are the worst,gaijin,please stop doing those if its only to add copypastes.
Premium shoulda 100% been the EX with an NG for tech tree
It’s just laziness
not exclusively. subtrees are also added to introduce a country that operates unique domestic vehicles but not enough of them to form a standalone TT.
thats your subjective opinion.
and even more when they add subtrees to nations that’s really don’t need them. (germany already have kind of a subtree beside swiss…)
for real.
That’s also the opinion most people have
The feedback on subtrees has been visibly negative
And this shows why
You give France Leopards, Germany Mirages, you remove uniqueness and block out the demand for domestic vehicles, now guess what? 1 step forward 15 steps back, good job!
and see,some people still support that dumb idea…
with people like that,i really don’t wanna see how war thunder will looks like in 5 years,
what’s next? poland subtree for russia? leopards and f16 for russia lets go!.
this really need to stop now.
“thats a nice argument senator, why dont you back it up with a source?”
on poorly implemented subtrees that offer mostly copypaste when there are unique designs aviable.
swiss mirage IIIS is going to swiss subtree. there is no justification for it to go to france, unlike with CLOVIS and DF105.
adding it to france too would further dilute the uniqueness of the tree without any justification, unlike with dutch Leo2A4 being in benelux subtree, which are vehicles that served with dutch army and as such they need to go whenever dutch vehicles are.
You expect to be spoonfed a source? Dude its called looking.
Swiss Mirage III should have gone to France long before a Swiss subtree was even a concept (even though its poorly done as-is and not needed) because its a French jet, just as the Leopard should have gone to Germany and not France
mirage III > french
swiss 2nd most spoken language > french
that’s enough justification,swiss could have been a subtree for france too.
(even if i don’t want a swiss subtree in france,just that damn mirage.)
we can take the example of the leopard2a4can
should have been in US tree or UK tree??
why its in germany then?
gaijin really seems to don’t have any logic at this point.
Oh so it’s only bad if Germany starts getting French stuff but not the other way around.
burden of proof lies within the person making the claim. that which is claimed without proof can be dismissed without proof.
to give an extreme example, If i were to claim you are sexually attracted to feet without providing any source, it would be clearly in violation of forum rules in multiple ways. i dont see reason why other claims should be treated differently.
and it didnt. and now we have swiss subtree not in france.
that was never operated by the france.
Leopards are different to mirage IIIS due to the fact that they were operated by both belgium (leo1s) and dutch (leo2s). belgium and netherlands are subtree to france. hence france got leopard 2s.
swiss is not subtree for france tho, and france never operated mirage IIIS.
there is no official canadian subtree.
no,we literally said it.its retarded that french is getting leopards.
see? you’re only argument is “its not a subtree for france?” WOW
there is no canadian subtree? ok but UK and US both have canadian vehicles.and can get a canadian subtree,
but germany go both canadian leopard.
for no apparent reasons beside its leopard.
you know? the same reason why im asking for the mirage III S
France already has several Mirage variants in its tech tree including multiple versions of the Mirage III and will likely receive even more in the future, given how many export versions exist. The addition of the Mirage IIIS to Germany’s tree doesn’t take anything away from France, especially considering this specific variant was only operated by Switzerland, a country historically tied to the German tree in War Thunder.
There’s no logical reason for the Mirage IIIS to be in the French tree: France never used it, and neither did any Benelux nation, which already forms part of the French subtree. Switzerland, on the other hand, has been part of the German tree from the start. This doesn’t hurt France’s uniqueness at all they now have the Rafale, the Mirage 2000, and will continue to hold exclusive access to the majority of domestic Mirage designs.
In fact, adding unique vehicles to other trees improves the game. It helps diversify tech trees and encourages players to try other nations. If you want to fly the Mirage IIIS, you can grind it through Germany, just like many of us have done with other vehicles in different trees. Personally, I’d love to see the French F-16AM, and even though I already unlocked it with the U.S., I support France getting it too it adds depth and appeals to more players.
At the end of the day, this isn’t a big deal. It’s part of War Thunder’s development combining realism with balance and gameplay variety. It doesn’t diminish France in any way; it simply makes the game richer and more engaging for everyone.
a variant of mirage exclusively operated by swiss should not go anywhere else but swiss subtree.
correct. there is no canadian subtree at the moment.
and if they get one in the future, they can get the 2A4M, just as sweden got the premium swedish centurion that was sitting in UK TT or israel got the israeli centurion that was sitting in the UK TT. simple as. as with C2A1, its likely not moving anywhere, since its event vehicle and finds itself in same situation as US merkavas.
because there is no official canadian subtree. so leopards went to leopards. simple as.
similiarly, if Mirage IIIS was announced on its own, without swiss subtree, only logical place for it would be france.
France never used it
and germany never used the leopard c2 mexas,or leopard2a4can they got??
It helps diversify tech trees
aaah sure!! everyone is really happy to get an f5 for the sixth time in another nation
everyone is happy to grind for a fifth leopard 2a4 in another nation
how can it encourage other players to play another nations if half the tree is already something you already got?
and the several mirage variants?
we are waiting.
we are waiting too much
knowing gaijin? maybe we will finally get a new mirage III variant in like? 5 years? or maybe they will add it to china? because pakistan???..
yeah, I will prolly go to play the mirage IIIS on the dev server, it seems like such nice and fun plane to fly.