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How bad is the Mirages RWR? I highly doubt that it is worse than SPO-10 that’s on the MiG-23ML and MLA.
Mig-23MLD has an effectively identical RWR and radar, similar radar missiles, marginally better flight performance, similar top speeds, and far less countermeasures.
4 segments, only pulse or CW indicators. No launch warning.
Can’t remember how that compares to the Mig 23, but there’s your info on it.
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Also no track warning
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There’s also the 11.3 F-5E FCU with greater flight performance, easier to use cannons, significantly better RWR, though it lacks SARH missile. But you are effectively missing SARH with F1C unless you’re facing the blindest of players. Oh and also F5’s natural weirdness for locking IR aams on it.
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You can work it out from pulse/cw indicators, same way you work out the launches. But yeah, they don’t make it easy to know without looking at it.
Python 3 and AIM-9L are vastly inferior to Magic 2s.
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Pythons are just slightly better aim-9ls they don’t compare with magic 2s
Didn’t they get dual plane for their guidance? I don’t really care about Israeli missiles. Thought they ended up similar dual plane effectiveness, just minus IRCCM. At least, that’s what I was told.
Seems I was lied to reading up on it.
It is not, it is useless, you face Su-27, MiG-23ML, F-15, MiG-29, F-16… even the EJ Kai does better than the F1C-200.
Magic 2 is goated, but the 530F will go for chaff, 530 wont even try and then you have an airframe comparable to a phantom, i played the plane over 300 games. it is BAD
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2x Magic I plus center R.530 is the load-out found at 10.7 in the Mirage IIIE, assume each Super 530F is +0.3 BR and you have a 11.3 fighter.
Compared with J-8B at 11.3, same amount of IR missiles that are both very good but have trade offs to each other. Each have primary 2 radar missiles, Aspide is better than R.530F. Center R.530 makes up for worse radar missiles.
Compared with JA37C at 11.3, JA37C has more IR missiles, but they are worse. JA37C has same amount of primary radar missiles, JA37C has better radar missiles. R.530 and CM count make up for missile quantity difference.
If given Magic Is instead of Magic IIs the Mirage F1 is a 11.3 fighter.
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Mig-23ML has worse IR missiles and performs identically otherwise.
The rest of those aircraft aren’t 12.0 or less.
EJ Kai is 12.3 and under-BR’d with worse IR missiles.
So Mig-23ML to 11.3? Okay… -_-
“Compress the BRs!” - Your post, whether you intend it to have that meaning or not.
That is not the intended meaning of my post. I compared it to other 11.3 fighters and came to the conclusion it would be well balanced at 11.3 if given Magic Is. If you disagree with this please give me your reasoning rather than entirely dismissing my post.
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Alvis making up rubbish to be contrarian always seems to be the order of the day.
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I forgot to mention the biggest reason the F1C shouldn’t be 12.0, the mirage 2000 is only .3 higher br with everything being a massive upgrade except amount of countermeasures. It also has some of the best dogfight performance in the game.
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Certainly doesn’t sweeten the deal when .3 BR you have missiles that have a hope in hell of filtering chaff. If the 530Fs filtered chaff (as they ought to) an argument could be made for it being where it is, but as it stands it really doesn’t hold a candle.
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I have to disagree with the performing identically otherwise. It is much more capable because of its insane speed, actually useable radar missiles, and better flight performance in almost every way.
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All 11.3 [but JA37C] fighters in the game have standard pulse radars.
11.7 is where they get MTI/PD.
@Fluffy_Bucketles claiming the WT community is contrarian for opposing compressing BRs, no surprise.
@Frog_Hunter
Yes, we’re well aware the Mirage 2000 is under-BR’d and needs to be brought up, that’s not an excuse to make other aircraft OP.
Also Mig-23MLs turn rate is <14 deg per second, F-1C’s is over 14 deg per second while having better instantaneous.
R-24 isn’t stealth.
Also it has the stealth R-24r which in my opinion are just as much as a gimmick as the magic 2s