pretty sure it will end up 12.0, with AIM-9P4 soon tm. (can carry 4x AIM-9P4, replacing the Magic-2 and S.530F, and still remains the possibility to mount a R.530 in centerline carrypoint, but this last one seems to be out of question since the greek never had R.530 in their inventory)
That would be an issue.
Yeah im just playing to grind events and cas for my french ground tree so you are comparing yourself an “air main” to someone who doesnt play planes at all and still im getting 1.23 vs your 1.78 still id say its not bad cause my first 80 games i just wanted very hard to make 530f to work only later i started to use Magic 2.
I also played other planes on my friends accounts and i have maybe a little bit better perf on F4S. But yeah i still think that magic 2 are not enough to play at 12.0 cause 530F sucks and magic 2 are now easier to spoof than for example 2 years ago and i blame R73 nerf cause i remember that magic 2 started performing worse around those r73 nerfs (December 2024 nerfed r73 and next update nerfed magic2 at least thats when i noticed). I also remember that you could fire magic 2 in event mirage 2000c-s4 and its performance was insane (thats why i bought f1c 200) but now the difference between 2023 and nowadays is so big it just makes me mad. It feels like entirely new missile that is why i told you to play right now.
You could shoot Magic 2 at around 3km at side aspect and it would hit flared or not and now magic 2 gets easily flared with a light turn and one flare from the rear aspect. You could also reliably use them to shot down front aspect planes at distances like 1km and guess what now magic 2 gets godlike performance to turn and somehow miss big ass plane just to go for a flare. Even today i shot my magic 2 perfectly at the ass of fa18 at around 1.5 km he slightly turned to the side and shot one flare and missile instantly went for the flare it looks comically goofy right now. Wouldnt be suprised if r73 was just magic 2 with diff model and some things cranked up thats why they wobble at low speeds anyway so when gaijin nerfed r73 they also nerfed magic 2 thats why they practically behave the same. You literally can find posts with people crying about r73s from december 2024.
[…] → literally thinking IRCCM means impossible to flare from long range,…
that’s actually the opposite,… even with missiles that doesn’t have IRCCM, but a simple flare rejection (AIM-9L AIM-9J) flaring them is harder if shot from a close range,…
all is due to FoV of every missiles,…
you expect a :
to magically work?
you don’t specify your velocity and ennemy one,… you don’t specify the target (F-4 =/= F-5 in IR signatures) and it’s status (afterburners on use or not)
from all you’ve written up,… it could have been an AIM-9M or AAM-3 or a R-73, or even the infamous R-27ET missile that YOU would have the SAME exact problem, and those would simply be equalized by the range or IR tracker differences,…
you have to ADAPT to the weapon you use,… if not, there is no way you can barge in and be a cry-baby about any missiles!
I crated you this visual representation of nowadays experience compared to before.
R73 have the same problem. The whole point of mirages at 12.0 was them having good magic 2 and now performance of those suck ass and its literally pathetic. Fa18 CF188 f15 f4 f20 mig23 will literally out turn you out loadout you, you basically hug ground all the time and its to the point at which f4s and fa18 fly at 6000 meters and orbital strike you with aim9l and aim7. Play mirage and you will see cause its pathetic right now. Since leviathan update r24 r23 aim7 were buffed and now they are planning to buff them even more while you are stuck with trash 530f and magic 2 “guaranted kills” XD
if you think the magic 2 is bad, use the r73
yeah the magic 2 works pretty well on the mirage, the thing that needs some love are the super 530 they feel very draggy
Their performance is similiar cause they are almost 1:1 still mirage is considered good only cause magic 2 and they suck now thanks to implemented gatewidth irccm which makes them not suitable for 12.0 damn even 11.7 would be too high
its not
the magic 2 is much faster which makes the IRCCM works better
Magic 2 are great, I dunno why people keep complaining about them, I can only assume they do not understand that the need to be fairly close and rear aspect
Cause they arent great they only perform good in one case “be fairly close and rear aspect” and thats it cause mirages have no other option to fight. This whole discussion is about mirages and not magic 2 specifically. I was pointing out the whole idea of mirages being 12.0 cause they only have magic 2 is stupid cause any other plane at 12.0 have better loadout. And this is all cause french players are usually those who have experience with planes already still tho change in how irccm works for magic 2 make them way harder to use than before they lost ability to fight in front aspect close range and you are most games sweeting cause you are fighting fa18 or f16 which is just performing way better.
So if mig23 is at 11.7 then why mirage is at 12.0
They are that great once you take a look around, planes at 12.0 are stuck with rear aspect missiles and non irccm like aim 9l or r60m, and the magic 2 is better than these
YOU ONLY HAVE MAGIC 2 while those planes have sarh missiles which outperforms already
The ONLY problem with the mirage F1 is the poor RWR, and issue that is greatly mitigated buy the 200 pop large cal chaff pod and the IRIAF no longer being in it’s BR range.
You have a decent air frame, great IR missiles, radar missiles that do not trigger launch warning on RWRs so can often surprise snipe the hordes of premium F-4S rushing bases with them, good guns and 400 CMs.
To put it into perspective I have about the same K/D (in fact slightly higher) in the F1C 200 as the Su-30MKK, so unless the Su-30 is also a bad plane and needs to be down tired…
And you have 200 chaff
Hell you have like 70 pops of chaff carrying 50/50 split CM WITHOUT the pod
And they dont work anyway
And that’s only an issue for the Cs the mirage f1ct does have a proper rwr
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LOL they do if you use them correctly, just like the magic 2s.
Oh, nice, even the C is adequate most of the time, it was the not being able to see the F-14 blips that was the issue, but now you don’t have to worry about the F-90s the regular phoenixes are not much of an issue.
And like I mentioned before, 200 pop chaff pod, it’s not like you can’t afford to just spam some CMs from time to time just to be safe.
too lazy to read
mirage f1c is good for its br. it was 11.7 before, its 12.0 now. its engine is not great, same as its fm and sarh. magic 2’s are good if you can get in to position, it was my starting plane so i kinda just bombed with it instead of dogfighting but still, its at its perfect br. increase it SLIGHTLY and it faces prem su30’s. which one is more fair, 6 arh (or the strongest sarh depending on your choice, mind you), good rwr, good radar and 4 irccm misisle OF YOUR CHOICE, or bad rwr, bad engines, bad fm, only 2 missiles? why even touch the mirage f1 lol