Mirage 4000 - Overcompressed in Air RB

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The Mirage 4000 is currently not fitting 13.0 BR in RB

The facts are:
Magic-2 - Worst IR missile with IRCCM within 13.0 BR aircrafts (AAM3 / AIM-9M / R-73 /…)
easily flareable in most situations

Super 530D - Worst than every radar missiles at 13.0 BR, be it early Fox-3’s (PL-12 / RB99 / AIM-120A and B / Derby) or Regular Fox-1’s (R-27ER / AIM-7F/M).

F/A-18A and early C’s sitting at lower BR, despite having much more versatility, and Flight options (like the G-override limiter)

Flight performance wise, it have a Good maximum speed, but that’s it,… the aircraft is Heavy, in such it doesn’t accelerate as good as an Su-27 or F-15, and get outturned by most aircraft that are not VTOL or CAS designed.

Lack of HMD, which forces Mirage 4000 to go head-on to target for any launch, unlike Russian/Chinese Heavy fighter counterparts,

So 13.0 wise, Mirage 4000 is the worst aircraft in game right now. (followed by the J-8F, but because it have PL-12, it is still competitive).

Make it 12.7 or put everyhting else at higher BR,… Please.

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Except its the best IR missile in the game?

Sure, but its on par to the Skyflash DF found on the Gripen A

Neither have IRCCM and would instantly move up to 13.0 if they did get Aim-9Ms.

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Magic 2 is one of the best IR missiles in the game.
F-18A has worse missiles and should be a lower BR.

There are 8 under-BR’d aircraft at 13.0 that should be 13.3; that is not everything nor a majority.

Mirage 4000 should never ruin 12.7.

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Thats kind of a stretch

I gotta agree with you on this one

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huh no.

from the game Super 530D goes 40km, Skyflash 50km for max-ranges, similar G limits, and distances for locking is 7km advantageous towards the skyflash.

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And from missile statcard R-27ET should be able to reach 100km range, but i dare you to prove it lmao.

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Hu?

You will rarely ever fire a Skyflash DF past about 8km? 10 at most.

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right now, i do have better reliability from AIM-9M and AAM-3’s than Magic-2.

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you will never fire a skyflash on the gripen bc its a waste of a slot

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I can see value in taking maybe 1, I quite often see times where the enemy might be in a good position to one tap flare defeat an Aim-9M, but can do absolutely nothing to do an SARH or ARH missile.

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I dont take 2 bc it just removes a large chunk of your cms since you cant take bol pods with them. As for taking 1 only I dont do that bc It hurts me when the loadout isnt symetrical

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Not to be the achually dude… but arguably the 2nd best. I like the magic 2 better than the aam3 or r-73, but the pl-5eII is a faster magic 2, so that’s the best one in my book. Still, it’s a decent 13.0 loadout

It’s better except at very short ranges maybe. In theory it has almost similar speed/range to the aim7F in useful ranges, but in practice, it loses a lot of momentum while maneuvering.

Indeed the Mirage 4000 is a bit mid at 13.0 when you have things like the su-27 there, but in the very same TT you have the F-16A (exactly the same jet as the ADF) with only 6 aim-9m and not even a sparrow avaliable. The extra countermeasure pods can only be carried if you ditch 1 missile per pod from your loadout.

Sadly, 13.0 is compressed like a neutron star, but you can’t shine much since you fight top tier most of the time.

That was exactly the loadout I used before the UK’s Gripen C got the R-darters

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I wouldnt say that. It looses out to the pl5 and the r73 up close and looses out to the 9m and aam3 at range. Its a great all rounder but its definetly not the best

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We just need 13.0 decompression.

First, move every 13.3, 13.7, and 14.0 plane up to 13.7, 14.0, and 14.3. Next move the F-15As, F-15J, Su-27, Su-33, F-2, Tornado F.3 late, F-4F ICE, and the J-8F if it gets IRCCM missiles up to 13.3.

This will fix a large amount of compression at this BR area, but we need a full rebalance of the whole 12.7 BR bracket and heavy decompression of atleast an extra 1.0 full Br to get it to an acceptable state.

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so a plane that fixes most of the issues with the Mirage 2000 should be the same BR? no.

It’s among the best missiles in game.
As someone with most top tier nations, I’d only choose the R73 and PL5E2 over it.

The Super 530D is a very capable SARH missile, I’d say better than the AIM-7s as it doesn’t do sparrow things, but is inferior to the R27E series (not really a suprise), and is comparable to the regular R-27R in my opinion.
Worse SARH missile at this BR is the Skyflash DF found on the JAS39A.

It’s a decent flight model. Sure not as good as something like the F-15 but it accelerates better than the 13.0 Su-27.
It doesn’t outaccelerate the VTOL aircraft… not really suprising here, Of course it does have a better top speed than the harriers, not sure about the 141.
Lack of HMD kinda sucks, but vertical scan works well enough, even with the HDN radar.

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Tornado F.3 Late back up?
What did britain do 🥀
In all seriousness, the F.3 late and the SHar FA2 are by far the weakest ARH carriers, alongside maybe the J8F.
I don’t think they should move up as the other 13.0s are vastly superior.

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it has a higher top speed than the 141

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And comparable acceleration. Good to know :)

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Is this real? It makes my eyes burn when I read it.

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Imo the issue is the bad accel of the 530d. You have to hold lock till it hits (duh) but it had a very long time to target so you will have to expose yourself to fox3s while waiting for it to hit