Mirage 4000 BR too high after testing in DEV (Needs to be 12.7 at least)

Dev Server "Eagle's Shadow" General Discussion - Dev Server
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[DISCLAIMER - I do not claim to know everything there is about BR balancing and aircraft logistics and I am certainly not the most experienced player. I am happy to be educated and/or corrected on any of my points]

After a lot of testing with the Mirage 4000 (13.0), SU-33 (13.0) and the F2A ADTW (13.0) The Mirage 4000 still too high of a BR for AirRB, even after recent BR changes. If it was made 12.7, It would still face some challenging up tiers but not be overwhelmingly outclassed. Basically, I wouldn’t feel the need to make this post.
Here is a rough list of noticeable traits from each aircraft (I try to cover equal points)

Mirage 4000 (13.0)

  • Average Fox 1s (MS 530D) no DL+IOG
  • Appalling Tall-box ACM + no HMS
  • Easily chaffed radar
  • Limited to HDN TWS
  • Out-shadowed Magic 2 missile
  • 8x missile load (6 with 4x Fox 1s)
  • False climb rate (Should be 305m/s)
  • Amazing low level speed
  • Very generous CM count
  • Rear wheels aren’t touching the ground (Major issue)

SU-33 (13.0)

  • One of the best Fox 1s (R27ER) has DL+IOG
  • Fantastic full TWS radar
  • Huge Tall-box ACM + has HMS
  • One of the best IR missiles in the game (R27ET)
  • 12x missile max load (6x Fox1s + 6x Fox2s)
  • New R27 missile buff now have 60g pull (Subject to change)
  • More sluggish than the other 2 but still impressive manoeuvrability (SukhoiTM)
  • Low CM count

F2A ADTW (13.0)

  • Ultra reliable Fox 1s (4x AIM-7M) no IOG+DL
  • Amazing full TWS radar
  • Great Tall-box ACM + no HMS
  • Gets access to the superior 4x AIM-9M or 4x AAM-3
  • Superior low speed energy and turn-rate
  • Average CM count

12.7 would have the Mirage 4K stand a fair chance against the F18A/Cs, F15A/AJs, F16A/AJs and the fantastic Mig 29s. These all posses a much more equal offensive kit as the Mirage 4000. All that I’m asking is that these points are at least considered and make this rare Mirage 4K fan happy. TY for your time <3

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mmh.

Its situational.

mmh.

mmh.

As soon as you merge, M4K is at advantage

should never go down to 12.7 in the first place

you outrange it.

id rather be in M4K than in 16AJ if im being honest.

the 12.7 MiG29s have the R27ER and then they might as well land since R-60Ms will never hit anything at this BR range.

8x IRCCM IRs + the CM count likely means it will never go down to 12.7.

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Yeah seems fair to be the same BR as the MiG-29 with no IRCCM, shite radar, and only 2 SARH. Or the F-16AB with only IR missiles. Or the RMV, of course. It’s definitely not just that the F-2A or Su-33 might just need a BR increase.

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thats a fair point

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Tysm for taking the time to read through my post and thx for the points <3
Even if they kept it at 13.0 but gave it some love. Fixed its climb rate to match the real data. Made the magics as good as they are irl. then Id be happy with that. It is undoubtedly in a left-behind state at the moment

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A buff to the super 530s would be also welcomed, like with the sparrows, but they also didnt included them on the list of the missiles that they had planned to reworks, so i dont have too much hope on that.

And maybe a buff the radar, since they base it’s performance from the RDI and it should have MPRF, maybe they could apply said buff to the RDM-3, but to be fair that is a bit of a stretch

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12.7 MiG-29 and fantastic are two words that don’t belong in a sentence

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hell no

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mirage 4000 shouldnt go down. f2a adtw, su-33 & f18 premiums just should go up.
the compression is still pretty damn bad.

also *R73

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M4K is pretty abysmal, even at its rating. A lot of folk look at the missile count; but the only ones worth taking are the magics. At which point the platform is significantly worse than most the competition.

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We would need additional decompression. Hell just recently MK2/MKK moved to 13.7 which made these jets more playable, we dont need to undo it right away.