What are you talking about “high performance fox 3s” will come likely next year.
MICA RF, AMRAAM C, AAM-4 [later than the rest], R-77-1, and PL-12.
And implementing ARHs helps them perfect SARHs.
They’re doing both at once. And it’s better to test features on scale than it is to rely exclusively on internal testing so you can improve systems.
IR & SARH missils on Mirage 2000 for example have went through many base changes from Gaijin refining the simulation, and will continue to do so.
Multi-target tracking isn’t in the game yet, and people don’t complain cause we know Gaijin’s working on it, and until it’s added things are balanced currently.
When it’s added, BR shifts may certainly well occur.
AMRAAM C is vague, most AMRAAM variants are “AMRAAM C”
AIM-120C-3, C-4, C-5 are not “high performance” in regards to the fact that they are analogue to the R-77 in performance and the AIM-120C-7 exceeds it… PL-12 is inferior to AIM-120C-5 generally (DCS iteration of SD-10A is essentially the improved PL-12A)…
Anyhow, I’m just being nitpicky if we want to discuss the AIM-120 and other analogous missiles we can head to my AIM-120 thread. I agree with the rest of your statement.
You know, the insomnia I’ve been facing & am finally cured of for the time being.
I’m glad I’ve been having these conversations.
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What i mean is that according to some official source Grippen C will come this year but the plane only ever carried AMRAAM and Fox 1 never were thought of regarding its armament and based on that fact and their statement on PL12 I can only immagine they will implement high perf ARH missile before the end of the year.
Based on that, i think they still implement things too fast because look we have IR and SARH missiles in the game for the moment right? But some IR missiles in the game should posess IRCCM and some other missiles should added in compensation to the arrival of other for example from the moment Python3 were added AIM9Ms and R73s should have came along IMO but i could be misled and be rushing things and the reason why the IRCCM system isn’t fully implemented in game and therefore those missiles cannot be added without risks is because they are testing the IRCCM.
But still i maintain my opinion on the fact they implement things without having a fully stable basis for example refering to my last example they should be adding/correcting IR missiles with the first types of IRCCM systems like R73, AIM9M, Magic 2 and such before adding ARH missile come to the game.
What i’m trying to say is that Gaijin tends to have too much interest in making their game progress in weapons and vehicles eras instead of completely developing and perfecting concepts that they introduced long ago which causes a lot of fixing to be made at once and therefore can be the cause of many bugs as the ones we’ve seen recently with some radars and SARH missiles. To illustrate that i’ll point the fact that some SARH missile are made dumb thanks to ground clutter while they should not for most of them, maybe it’s a purposefully implemented system in order to make the game playable idk, but you see what i mean i’d prefer seeing the MICA in three years but having almost perfectly functionning SARH and IR missile than having bugged ARH missiles in game that are just frustrating to use you see?
Gaijin won’t give the 100km ARHs to WT this year, cause they’ll want to test the lower end stuff so they have a baseline of how to balance the 100km range high perf ARHs.
Python 3s are 9L equivalent.
Python 4s are 9M equivalent.
I don’t think it’ll be that way. To me they’ll probably used the fact that MICA and R77 are very maneuverable to justify the greater range of PL12 and AIM120 as a balancing measure. I’m maybe wrong but i mean no balance can be found with ARH missiles as AIM120 early version have same range as MICA and R77 but much less maneuverability and tracking capabilities so then to balance they would add the longer range AIM120 C7 and PL12 to compensate the maneuverability difference. Idk a balance is too hard too find between ARH missiles.
I do not talk about fake info just about the fact that a balance between Chinese and US ARH missiles that rely more on range than maneuverability and Russian and French missiles that rely more on high maneuvering but medium range is extremely hard to find. And therefore it’s not impossible that the first ARH missiles that will appear this year are PL12, AIM120C-6 or 7, MICA and R77 in order to offer every nation an ARH missile.
Because i highly doubt gaijin would allow themselve to leave one or more nation fight against advanced/new gen ARH missiles without being able to fight back with the same tech.
PL-12 and AIM-120 both possess sufficient maneuverability that dodging them is not going to be possible within any NEZ range.
The AIM-120A/B is 35G and I see no official source implying they’re less maneuverable as the C-3+ comes out, in fact they refer to the C+ models as having high-angle off-boresight capability.
Anything beyond 25G is going to be incredibly difficult to dodge and later FOX-3s will be able to maneuver in combined plane and as such would be approximately 35G.
See the video below.
Basically you can see the “loading” icon appearing when i’m close to the ennemy. The lock starts blinking and is lost after a few seconds. In the examples I’m veryyy lucky cuz I kill them most of the time but I made the footages in custom battles. In AIR RB trust me the target is lost in a solid 80 % of the time and the missile self explodes before reaching the target.
I’ll make some more footages in AIR RB when I have time. https://streamable.com/83fzrc
The thing that appears close to the enemy is just your radar gun lead, put it on the enemy plane and shoot
You only seem to lose lock once in the video and it’s because of a good notch (and you still hit), no issues as far as i can see (except maybe that head on miss)
YES that’s what i said the sentence is : “they prefer using it for things like adding high performance Fox3 because Chinese playerbase complained day one about the fact PL11 were removed from J8F” and it is kind of true it made quite a lot of noise when chineses learned that PL11 were removed because J8F never carried nor even CAN carry them PL11 so i never said the J8F should heave them and i don’t want it to have them.
You asserted as though this was a waste of time and it was better used elsewhere. They adjust things like that which are easy to change, modifying the base code for the radar and making it complex enough to do what you think it should is a significantly more difficult task.
What i said to be a loss of time is adding planes that should not be here for the moment because they have no proper armament for actual TT and that due to this fact they have to develop new weapon systems instead of correcting and perfecting the ones in game leading to bugs, malfunctions and frustration for the players.
Well i do not consider J8F to be lacking good weapons as if you play it how a short range fighter is meant to be played you should get relatively easy kills.
This was obviously born from an error wherein they did not realize the J-8F could not fire the PL-11. This was not something easily researchable for them either. Also, aircraft must come each update because that is how the free to play game market works. Add new toys for people to grind. It has to happen.
Yeah but they should think twice before chosing what to add because here even if i presume High performance Fox3 are in the box since the adding of the F14A and launching platforms are added for later it still is better for the quality of life to perfect a base than always adding new things.
Like they could have added Super Etendard without AM39 Exocet and an other Jet of weaker Br for china and perfect the IR missile coding for example there still is a lot of issues mainly with the All aspect missile and they already want to add Fox3 this is rushing things too much.
You want them to build a solid base before adding other new stuff on top of it. They’ve already done this with the Phoenix, added a Fox-3 and have started working out the issues long ahead of time.
That’s why IR and SARH missiles still have a lot of problems then? To me the current state of IR and SARH missile still is far too unstable. Like god damn we have like plane that came to existence in years 2000 but no missile with an IRCCM wth is this? Such missiles should have been implemented since the appearance of the Mig 29.