Yefim Gordon is not an all-or-nothing reference. I’ve been a reader of his works for years. If you think otherwise you’re new here.
It’s an established fact that OshAP and OrAP units routinely carried AAMs for self defence regardless of type. All fighter-bombers were armed for air-to-air as a break-contact method as part of Soviet Cold War doctrine. It was even the case before the R-60 entered service, for example the early Su-24 with R-55Ms. If you choose to ignore that and conclude that absence is evidence, it’s on you.
That’s oversimplifying it and making it trivial. No, not almost every single aircraft is electrically compatible with any weapon. Try fitting TV-guided AGMs onto a MiG-21 if you think it’s that simple. As it stands, the MiG-25BM has the same SEP-72M PSU and BUP-72 launch control block to use APU-60-2 adapters as the MiG-25PD, and there are numerous Russian sources listing the R-60M as a self-defence option that you’ve conveniently chosen to dismiss.
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I am screenshotting this entire response and pasting it in the sources section of my suggestion.
Thank you.
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So provide a primary source such as a historical internal document or even as simple as a photo of a MiG-25BM with R-60s. Or a couple secondary sources- authored works. Should be easy is it’s so obvious that R-60s were a core component of the BM’s arsenal.
No hard feelings. I’m just doing due diligence in accordance with forum rules and just general good research practices, rather than making shit up because it’d be cool.
Funny you say that, the Indians did exactly that with the Mig-21 Bison lol
This is obviously not “that simple”.
No hard feelings either, I’m just not convinced by the approach you’re projecting.
You want to completely rule out the R-60M from the MiG-25BM’s arsenal because an old small book by Gordon that needs revision forgot to mention it and you conveniently want it proved to you under your own terms.
If you ask me, because of all these domestic Russian sources, the burden of proof is on you.
https://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig25bm.html
Four is more than acceptable to Gaijin, if that’s really a metric you’re going by. I would really dig in as I used to and read through a handful of books, but I no longer have the same energy and enthusiasm as I did years ago just to be proven right on a game’s forum.
No one is making anything up. Everything I’m telling you about Soviet doctrine is true and has everything to do with how the MiG-25BM and other aircraft types in the same regiments were employed.
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At this point it is Gaijin’s decision. Too many different sources mention that the aircraft existed and came with R-60s. Most of these sources are now in this thread.
As I told you a long time ago, community guidelines demand proof that the aircraft existed and at least two sources stating so. Everything demanded by the community guidelines has been provided.
P.S Gaijin has made changes to certain aircraft that were never implemented in real life, so even if the BM never actually carried R-60s, there is more than enough information here to justify giving it that capability in the game.
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Notice if you read this variant’s development history, the entire aircraft was internally redesigned to accommodate the new weapons. It is technically no longer a MiG-21bis.
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It’s still a MiG-21 though
That’s a different discussion
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Well the original message was
And the Bison is in fact a MiG-21 fitted with such systems
You missed the point I was making. He trivialized weapon compatibility by saying almost any aircraft can be electrically compatible with any weapon but that’s simply not true. In many instances it means heavy internal modifications to make it happen, it isn’t as simple as installing the weapon and then go.
The case for the MiG-21 is an example to further illustrate and it is exactly that; no MiG-21 prior to the much more modern Bison was capable of utilising any form of air-to-ground guided weaponry. To oversimplify it, they had to install a more powerful PSU and discrete wiring to allow it to use BD3-USK-A pylons that held the bombs.
It’s not a discussion about whether said aircraft is still the same base type after modifications or not.
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I know, I was messing with you :)
Of course, new tech installation on old airframes requires important modifications of the avionics
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Oh I see haha, bless you ♥
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Though it’s interesting to note, on newer aircrafts it’s way easier to integrate new weaponry because of the open architecture and sorta universal informatic rules. This is why, for example, India is fitting every missile they got their hands on into their jets, without facing insane difficulties.
The main difficulty nowadays is to integrate stuff on old airframes
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