GJ never fixed the IRST exploit btw. nice.
OMG who has played the German mig?! its a god among men. If we get the R73. That is the counter to the F16C. like even in a min fuel 1v1 it holds its own.
I suspect the SMT will be the R77 platform while these lesser variants will be the premier frontline fighters they kind of were designed to be.
Was the SMT employed with Frontal Aviation or Long Range? Who actually knows about the VKS that can tell me?
Didn’t really test all that much yesterday but it seemed to bleed speed as usual
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its flying better. Not drastically the more that I play it, but better. More survivable. You still want nothing to do with a dogfight. The German Mig is really good. Just no missiles beside the ERs. I can easily go guns with average 16C pilots.
Almost having command over it in that fight but still, no missiles. Any missile that has no IRCCM is one flare gone. GJ made all missiles without IRCCM so easily defeated. Too much imo. The R60 will suffer more as its the shortest range and most easily compressed at high speed launches. Thats why I say it has no missiles other than R27 and long burn R27s.
İt doesnt fly that better as you claimed.
İ tested SMT yesterday and there is no significant difference.
Seems you feel that way cause you want to enjoy SMT so you’re putting more effort and getting better results.
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MiG-29 9-12 could go guns with F-16C even before last update, it loses far more than it should in a ratefight but given that 99% people only try to dogfight in 1 circle in this game the 9-12 could already hang with the F-16C (again as long as the F-16C doesn’t even remotely play energy).
Instead try to dogfight a block10 right now and it will turn into you like an F-22 lol
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He tested it yesterday… What does that mean? You flew circles in test flight? Ok…
I want to? No, I already enjoy the SMT since its release. Putting more effort? So you admit you are upset because GJ does not agree with how you imagined the Mig29 should be and therefore you don’t put effort into getting better results. Just as I suspect…
Where did I say the 9-12 could not go guns with the F16C prior to last update?
I played every jet. Please, I do not need to hear about 99% of the player base.
Anyway, you are saying the jet is missing alpha and it’s also missing rate performance? interesting. But at the same time, it should not lose any speed with the additional alpha? Interesting. How much more rate performance does it need in your opinion? Anymore it will be on par with the F16.
The Mig29 was not designed with energy maneuverability theory in mind like the F16. It’s not even Soviet doctrine. It is a high alpha fighter with a crap ton of energy loss. That is why the soviets focused more on post stall maneuvers and high off boresight shorter range engagements. The West stayed away from that because it is deadly and focused on long range as they saw that as the superior counter.
You’re starting to lose me here on how much better the SMT should be. I am really starting to believe you guys do not care about what the soviets intended the fighter to be historically. It’s kind of disrespecting Mikoyan to want the fighter to be something it never was.
So, let me get this straight. You guys want a high alpha fighter, but at the same time the most aerodynamically stable, but also unstable enough to immediately pull pitch and perform post stall and high Mach number maneuvers, but not lose any speed in the process. Also rate with the F16 with no fly-by wire. Russian pilots and the human brain can do that much better than the FBW computer of the F16.
Do you understand how difficult the Mig29 was to fly? its notoriously difficult. Takes a lot of skill and is quite taxing on the pilot.
Something you might find interesting. The MiG-23MLD uses the same SOS-3-4 flight control system as the MiG-29. This allows for automatic leading edge flap deployment from wing sweep angles 16 to 33 degrees. The AoA limitation in this region was 33 degrees, higher than the 26 - 30 allowed for the MiG-29. The dogteeth in the wing root are lambdoid inflows which should actually raise lift to drag ratio significantly as well… so the MiG-23MLD is underperforming with a maximum sustained AoA of 26-27 degrees and a peak AoA of around 30.
And that’s all on min fuel.
So it seems if this is corrected, MLD might actually be able to compete with the F-14A or some other very early gen4s. The MLD manual even states that the maneuvering sweeps of 16-33 degrees were expected with peak AoA being possible up to speeds of 0.8 to 0.9 mach. Presumably that means 33 degree sweep for those speeds, but it’s still cool none the less that the MLD could potentially be so competitive. All thanks to some simple aero modifications and the MiG-29s SOS-3-4 system.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Uix8EHRqWSqs
Oh, and the manual explicitly discusses the use of the R-73 on the MLD.
So not only does the MiG-29 (9-12, and 9-13) not get the R-73… we’re two generations of top tier vehicles behind on this weaponry now.
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İ didnt say any of those, stop creating another drama in your fantasy world.
İ basically stated that after fm changes, SMT doesnt perform magically better like you claimed on your previous comment.
Panther you just said I am trying to enjoy the SMT therefore I am getting better results. You are right, I am trying to enjoy the aircraft and get the best results possible. Then I can come to a conclusion how good or bad I believe a model is.
So, I ask you, are you not trying to enjoy the jet and get the best results every time you play it competitively?
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Also, I am not claiming magically better randomly out of the blue. GJ literally stated today in the game the flight model has been altered. They did not specify that it was only for sim either. They have made the distinction before. So, I am not just running off of just because.
This has nothing to do about what you wrote on your previous comment.
You claimed that i was expecting some op vehicle and after realized SMT wasnt the vehicle i was expecting you claimed i was complaining.
So i basically told you that was not the case.
İ do enjoy my ever single hard earned vehicle and i usually try to play with them in competetive mindset, but this doesnt change the fact that after fm changes SMT still performs nearly identical.
Anyway it appears Gaijin wants to keep SMT this way so they can reduce the upcoming complains when they add Su-27 or Mig-29M.
Personally i like SMT in general but it will not be my first choice in air rb.
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Trying to say Gaijin is biased towards Russia like you always do is a really hard sell when almost everything American has to be nerfed (comes to the game overperforming), whereas all the Russian stuff doesn’t perform as it should until sometimes up to a year+ later after endless hours spent researching and bug reporting. The SMT will follow this trend, underperforming for a long long time until someone can come up with sufficient sources to prove it’s underperforming. Same goes for other countries such as France with the M2K and all of it’s ordnance.
And I’m not even going to claim it’s a bias towards America either cuz it’s not. It’s just circumstance to be quite honest. All this whining accomplishes nothing. Could literally spend the same amount of time actually getting a petition going if you want change.
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If can stop talking about the F16 for one second. That is essentially what a lot of people want. A COD Mig29. In reality, it not nearly as good at rate fighting as the F16. Just as the F16 is not nearly as good at high alpha pre & post stall maneuvers.
They are two completely different fighters. unfortunately, the F16 is the better design in that it maintains its energy in a dogfight while the Mig29 is designed to dump all of it’s energy in exchange for nose authority. The soviets even designed a missile specifically for that doctrine. The R73. They even designed a HMS for it.
That is reality and history. There is nothing more to it. The mig29 is never going to rate on par with the F16. GJ will not do it. They know aircraft designs. We never give them credit.
We might as well wait for the Su27.
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Whaaat?
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Yes the mig29 is not designed to maintain energy like that of the F16, chief. That was not the dominant design priority like that of the F16.
They are two drastically different fighters based on different doctrines and philosophies. omg lol here he needs to prove himself again. You need sources, right?
stop writing nonsense.That the MiG-29 and Su-27 were designed taking into account the maintenance of high angular maneuvering speeds
it is enough to look at the graph of the longitudinal overload and see that in the speed range from 700 to 1100 km / h, the aircraft is able to accelerate
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I know you way too well! Did I say not designed whatsoever with energy maneuverability in mind? READ IT AGAIN.
read your own message again
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