i kinda agree with them zig, i already told you this i think, more than 1 time, the f16 is overperforming and the 29 isnt undeperforming, everything will be bad against a ufo plane (and the blk50 isnt ufo, the other ones are), while the 29 is -accurate- according to the manuals and stuff like that, the f16 do stuff that it shouldnt, so the problem is the f16 not the 29…
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I also agree
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I respect all of your opinions and conclusions as they are rooted in genuine logic not ego (you know who I am talking about)
Ok, so where is it overperforming? In energy maneuverability? I kind of agree. However, so are many other fighters limited by the instructor.
We cannot continue to look at these two fighters through such a narrow lense as they are not the only jets in the game that are clearly overperforming.
I honestly think the only jet that is not overperforming to a degree is the F-14 and Mig29. Fuclrum is underperforming.
@MythicPi thats for you bro ;)
But seriously I think the Tomcat is pretty well modelled, except no possible stall if pull max pitch and roll as the aircraft magically corrects itself no matter what. Just like every other fighter in game.
i mean, the fact the the f16 pulls more AoA (with mouse aim), than the 29 and doesnt bleed half of its speed like the 29 do, it is already for ME a big problem that doesnt make any sense, why is this plane able to do that?
Have you compared the T/W of the legacy vs the super? lol
For those reading silently take notice his endless (fact-less) ranting hasn’t stopped just because I didn’t reply. In fact, since I didn’t reply he’s drove the topic heavily away from the subject matter.
You aren’t doing enough to appeal it.
Mythic has me blocked. Allegedly.
The issue is that:
- The majority of WT players rarely get the full potential out of aircrafts, PARTICULARLY rate fighters, as HUD BFM is rampant
- 1v1’s transfer horribly to air rb, where the name of the game is snowballing, and the difference in weapons and FM wasnt as severe at the time.
- The multipath hypercrutch wasnt as well known to the community at the time and by extension the ER was much more effective.
The F-16 v MiG-29 era has been mostly a time where roles began reversing between nations with regards to how they matched up to the game design.
The MiG-29 vs F-16 one circle definitly should be going to the MiG-29 afaik, which is why as I stated, the F-16 is likely overperforming, but its also possible that its not and the F-16 just gains more from WT’s 1.5x flight limits and lack of flight control limiters than the mig-29.
All good, I’d never judge someone based on their english, particularly when its not their native language.
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Have you compared one is drastically changed and given broader wings, Giant LERX, bigger elevators and even dogtooth leading edges?
Lol.
go away.
i agree with all you have said tbh lol, but i still hate loosing 1c to any f16 lmao xD, the scenario that i usually play (in custom battles, with min fuel and both planes clean) doesnt apply to air rb, thats why most ppl dont know how powerfull the f16 already was before the fm update,
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Ive had MiG_23M blocked for almost half a year now, so not sure what you’re talking about there.
Aerodynamic stability is not the same as stability due to FBW, and even FBW has its limits.
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The F-14 might actually be underperforming in more ways than one tho more relative to DM and avionics than FM, but I dont do bug reports anymore because the devs have proven they have no care for modelling anything in any way but how they see fit. This wouldnt be an issue if they admitted certain things were done for “balance” or “convenience”, but they dont, they rather belittle or ignore. I wont waste my time doing their work for them if thats how they chose to play.
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Does it pull more AOA or does it have a higher “sustained” ITR, because those things are not the same thing, and might be whats fudging the numbers (i havent looked into it too much so genuine question)
If the MiG-29 is pulling more AOA but burning its ITR too fast, this could lead to the F-16 winning the 1 circle
i dont know :( i dont fully understand but from what i saw the f16 pulls 26 degree or something like that while the 29 pulls 23 degree with mouse aim, so based on that my thought was -well, doesnt make any sense how that plane is pulling like that and not loosing speed and also keep beating the 29 in 1c-
It most definitely is underperforming avionics wise and weaponry.
Yes, that is true, it is their game and their business. They must balance out or manipulate models to drive sales. That is just the cold hard fact of life and I am glad you are aware. Unfortunately some people who do not have much experience in the real world do not understand that yet (cough @MiG_23M) who believe GJ is driven completely by flight manuals and open-source garbage anyone can find on the internet.
GJ hires actual consultants for their models and has promoted that in interviews with them previously. They know exactly what they are doing and are professionals.
However, before I head out, I want to urge you to continue and to not let that stop you from generating bug reports. Because you guys’ help keep the game honest when you don’t lap ride (Mig) and devs are appreciative and respect it. Otherwise, they would shut the reporting program down.
I really hope you reconsider doing bug reports as you are one of the last researchers who remain from days of old on the first forum.
The F/A-18E has visibly larger LERX because a requirement was to improve carrier landing to reduce maintenance, stress, carry a larger payload… But mostly because it’s 30% larger overall. It’s an entirely different aircraft optimized to fit the role better.
The Legacy Hornet has a better T/W and flight performance. You suggested otherwise that all 4.5 and 5th gens have > 1:1 T/W which really isn’t true at all. The sole reason that’s a requirement for 5th gens is as an implied task. It’s required for super cruise which has little to nothing to do with dogfighting.
But on the discussion of the MiG-29, the 1:1 T/W is helpful in certain regards. Mostly to overcome the higher drag as it’s a traditionally stable design that requires trim to keep nose level in flight. The elevators can’t produce positive lift like they can on statically unstable designs and the large aerodynamic features aren’t exactly perfect since they were optimized for post-stall recovery and climb rate.
Literally almost all of the bug reporters are still active with very few exceptions. Would you mind elaborating on who disappeared?
Your not listening because you are purposely trying to sound like you know what you are talking about.
all late 4th+ and 5th generation air superiority/air dominance fighters have 1:1 or more thrust to weight.
The F-18 is not an air superiority fighter, not even the super hornet. Do you understand the difference between multirole and air superiority fighters? Clearly you do not.
Multirole fighters are not held to the 1:1 TTW standard.
GO AWAY.
The term is ambiguous, but was first applied to the F-14 which did not have a 1:1 thrust to weight. Not all air superiority fighters have greater than 1:1.
1:1 is not a standard that they’re specifically held to, it is just a commonality between some popular fighters that hold that and other titles. The MiG-29 being one of them. It’s only a consideration for modern designs to allow for supercruise and to meet other performance metrics.
On a side note, the F/A-18 is far better equipped to perform the same role as the MiG-29 than the MiG-29 itself. It outclasses it in practically every other way for that specific role. In a modern combat setting there isn’t a MiG-29 in the world that can really perform against a Super Hornet. These knife fights relying on energy maneuverability just don’t exist anymore and the Gripen will be the start of that for War Thunder imo.
The MiG-29’s gonna fade away into the shade as newer teen series and especially the Su-27 variants show up.
You’re just gonna have to live with someone correcting you all the time if you’re going to keep posting nonsense. As seen before, others stepped up and pointed out when you were wrong even when I wasn’t. Just how it is.
100%, shameful behavior tbh
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I think the main problem is that war thunder doesn’t have a direct competitor, well, dcs does exist but it’s not exactly the same kind of game. They have total control over the community cuz they know if the players quit the game they won’t find anything similar, eventually coming back to wt. These men can do whatever they want unfortunately.
I am sorry is the F14 even in service anymore? lol.
Yeah the D has only been upgraded to damn near 1:1 you got me! what a loser this guy is. Enjoy your Friday evening.