Came off to me more like he was saying that the mig29 is performing accordingly and the f16 is overperforming.
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So why even mention he would write a report acknowledging its missing alpha in the first place, but not record “tangible” evidence?
@MiG_23M Why start running your mouth about the F-16 as it is irrelevant to bug reporting the Mig29’s model?
You even said as well, GJ does not buff according to “broken models” so why do you keep bringing up the F-16 and comparing the two?
If the model is broken why even compare the two? Can anyone show me what report has been accepted because you compared it to another model of a competing tech tree? thanks.
He’s going to write a report acknowledging there is more alpha available???. Gee whiz, thanks for the acknowledgement chief, but GJ does not give a hoot what you acknowledge.
Where is your “tangible” proof? Your unrecorded test fights flying a model that he claims is “broken” and a “UFO” compared to the SMT???
Show me a single report that you have gotten acknowledged by comparing it to a completely different model of a completely different tech tree.
This guy is wasting our time and has no intention of improving the SMT or Mig29. But he cannot outright say all of you are just complaining lest he be disregarded further by the community, but at the same time he does not want to fully agree it is underperforming as that will be in direct conflict with his boyfriend’s earlier reports and testing stating its practically perfect.
So, he makes up a test flight that is completely irrelevant to bug reporting, does not record it and says “oh the Mig29 needs alpha, but only a teeny tiny bit at really low speed” with zero specifics.
WRITE IT @MiG_23M and I want you to compare it to the F-16 like you just did here.
Yes, it’s just a perception issue. The MiG-29 pulls pretty much the maximum available AoA without instabilities and stalls. Current limits is the best compromise between energy saving, controllability and agility.
As I said, there might be room for some very small improvement… but nothing worth the developers time. It is well within a margin of error. There are exceptions to this, as it seems the F-104… but seeing as making a change to them will alter absolutely nothing as well… this is a fools errand. The perception that the MiG-29 is underperforming will go away when the F-16’s absurd FM is corrected.
Of course, I welcome other people to do their own testing. If y’all want to make a report it is extremely simple… you can use my prior report for the M2K as a basis, it was marked not a bug and subsequently updated anyway (completely up to the devs).
Further discussion on editing the MiG-29’s FM should be accompanied by sources and tangible testing. I think I can say we are all quite sick and tired of doing busywork and testing just to be told it doesn’t matter in favor of “gut feelings”.
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@MiG_23M we do not care. WRITE THE REPORT just as you offered last night comparing it to the F-16.
We are going to make you eat your words.
Why? I’ve offered to make a report… Later testing showed no need for it. Quit pestering me.
I’ll read more of your pester this evening (you can’t help yourself). Enjoy Thanksgiving.
Oh, and you’ve spent so much time pestering me… you could have simply wrote your own report. You have all necessary information and knowledge to do so. Try contributing for once.
I did not offer to write the report. YOU did.
As Gio showed us?, That is past tense statement my guy. You ran your little test just last night. Did Gio come in with further testing in the middle of the night?
Since when does anyone else’s test stop you from submitting a report or keeping your word?
Its real simple chief, that does not require further discussion. WRITE THE REPORT. Stop wasting our time.
You offered it. Write it.
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MIG29 still nerfed. and the f16 still overbuffed. this is a sad reality
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MiG-29 isn’t nerfed, been over this
It rates worse than the f14b too because of the energy bleeding caused by the instructor forcing you to pull 22 deg aoa but it’s not too much, it’s not that relevant, I wish i had the m2k to test the same characteristics tho… Anyways, it’s not that deep because to achieve that outcome you’d need to consider a lot of variables like same amount of fuel, f14 pilot that knows how to control it’s wings properly, payload and so on, the difference is minimal. I’d still prefer it to pull a lil less of aoa to improve the energy bleeding issue but it’s just so minimal that it doesn’t deserve a report, IMO it’s too much work for almost nothing.
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I got you bro. Hang tight.
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I’d say its quite important to point out the F-16’s performance considering the current meta is either your in an F-16 or a MIG-29. Of course the MIG-29 feels bad when it’s direct competitor in most matches is overperforming. It’s like playing against someone that is cheating.
Are you underperforming if you are facing an opponent that you know is cheating? or does the opponent just have an unfair advantage?
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Broken
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You cannot submit reports to improve Mig29 by saying “look at F16.” That weirdo knows this, and he is only bringing it up to pretend he cares. He does not. He thinks the Mig29 is perfect and quite literally said so. Neither will he submit a report though he just offered.
He never had the intent to do the report in the first place because he never even recorded his magical testing.
Give me about 30 mins-1hour. I will show you why the F16 is irrelevant, and the SMT & the entire Fulcrum series is underperforming even compared to 3rd generation fighters.
Do not be worried team, the Mig29 will eventually get fixed report or not and we can rub it all in his face when it happens. This has happened time and time again. Some dude gets datamining tools, does not play air RB and magically knows everything and says things like a model is perfect. GJ then slaps them in the face with reality and buffs the model out of nowhere.
I don’t think it will get buffed , it’s been 3 months and it’s still garbage tier in terms of FM.
My only hope is they give something actually good in December patch so that I will never have to touch the garbage SMT ever again
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Its getting buffed. The Mig29 and the SMT is the only aircraft that is underperforming. It is underperforming in lift coefficient and thrust to weight. I am compiling video evidence for the community.
The F-16 is performing PERFECTLY according to how every other fighter is currently set, over the top. Its only overperforming because we hyper fixate on it being the main competitor when the SMT cannot even obtain the same rapid pitch up as fighters from 3rd generation and all of them are the same with the SMT AND the 9-13.
I have video evidence that even the F4E is pulling the same alpha and more lift than the Mig29. Being thousands of pounds heavier ( 30,328lbs, TTW 0.86) , with a full 6x missile count. Even the mig21bis performs better alpha and immediate pitch up capability and generates more lift. I tested 12 different aircraft at sea level on the same map performing the same test all spaded and aced crew with full weapon loadouts as used in air RB. I video recorded each one.
This is the state of the MIG-29 along with R-73, both are broken lol
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Dude will say, “how come you weren’t flying slower. It’s a dogfight missile” lol.
Its a Mach 2.5 capable missile. There is no way in hell that should have died out at 1km. 1km is a blink of the eye in modern aerial combat.
The amazing IRCCM of R-73 in dogfight ranges for you then.
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İt died because it’s thrust vectoring and guidance is trash along with it’s İRCCM
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This is considered the control zone. You are in the perfect rear quarters and usually you are dead at this range with an opponent in the position you were in. The exhaust was not obscured in any way shape or form and you actually LED the missile. It did not have to go high off boresight.
If that was an Aim9M he would have died immediately.
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