With fixed radar and R-73 definitely BR 12.3.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/r0milhEEy3RU
I agree with you about MiG-29 but with full loadout of R-73. If this would cause an increase in BR, there is always the option to add, for example, UB as I mentioned.
That’d be excelent, our best hope for anything close to that happening would be when they add the 29M thus reviving the interest for fulcrums in the game, there are lots of variants left…
I just Lost my hope to recieve any Mig-29 model soon.
In fact im afraiding that Gaijin will make Mig-29M as an evet vehicle at some point, or worse premium.
Look at F-20 or F-18C early model man.
F-20 is one of my favourite plane and was hoping to recieve as tech tree vehicle but in the end Gaijin made the worst decision and made it premium vehicle.
I had to pay real money to get my hands on F-20 even tho i already had entire Us Air tree at that point.
Yeah that sucks and i understand your pain… I would unironically do the same with the mig29m because i love that plane even though i also have the entire soviet tree researched…
My biggest fear for that is the Su-37.
That one is my favourite Soviet/Russian jet and if somehow ended up bein premium i might have to buy it, even tho i already have entire tree like you.
I thought MiG-29S Could carry R-77s, no?
Ur right! It indeed can
Here’s a full list of what it can carry.
That plane would probably sit at 13.3 or something like that
My hope is that 2x142 kN engines + Bars radar + Canards + TVC will make it top BR in the upcoming patches and therefore can’t be made into a premium 🙏
Doesn’t AL-41 was usual non TVC when tested on Su-27M2?
No radar but limited WVR Air-to-Air Missile only ?
Or add MiG-23MLD (23-19) to early rank VIII before MiG-29, but could be 12.3
Depends on version but yes. In version UB it can carry 6x R-73 and in version UBM it have expanded armament on the R-27T/ET. Both version still have IRST.
iz. 23-19 is another option. But practically it would not be much different from the current iz. 23-18 except for the R-73. 23P would be more different and there would be no risk that it would grow in BR at the moment the radar was fixed as its practically MLA without air-ground weaponry (except Kh-23M).
MiG-23-98 with R-27 and R-73
And R-77, but it might catapult it too high (still, would be fun to annoy 4th gens with upbeat 3rd)
I don’t know, Su-37 used the Al-37FU
Internal or pod cannon ?
Without R-27R & R-27T ?
None R-27R & R-27ER only ?
I suppose might be MiG-29 (9-12) and on group with MiG-29 (9-13). light airframe like MiG-29 9-12A & 9-12B but early service limit WVR R-60M Air-to-Air Missile
Retain Klimov RD-33 and N019 Rubin radar (MiG-29 9-13)
With the addition of the PKVP-23s, as the total number of chaff/flares was brought up to 72
Sapfir-23P / RP-23P radar and R-23R/R-23T
But re retrofitted Sapfir RP-23MLA radar and R-24R/T air-to-air missiles, no IRST and a HUD display (MiG-23Bis)
The PVO operate MiG-23P & MiG-23Bis did in fact arm them with Kh-23 air-to-ground missiles only
MiG-23P might researchable tree on MiG-23 group or the first premium golden eagle ?