Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 Fulcrum - History, Design, Performance & Dissection

There is no guarantee that Mig29 will win the one circle, F-16 can easily evade Mig29’s agressive one circle move.

You’re the one who claimed 2 circle will get killed you in real life, now you’re saying this is pointless? Lmao.

Indeed F-16 performs better than in real life, but so does other planes as well.

It seems whenever counter argument doesnt suit you you just trying to change the subject.

Anyway i already spent enough time with you, you can keep complain about F-16 all you want but F-16 will always be better than MiG-29 in both game and real life.

since the 29 also got the new “maneuver mode” mechanic:

issues related to the new “maneuver mode” mechanic (this may affect all planes that received this, but I only tested it with the su30sm and f18)

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/CpWjJ6b8r3rt
my first ever bug report D:

In terms of the airframe itself i disagree, i think they are equal, however yeah in terms of avionics/radars the mig unfortunately fell behind due to the fall of ussr. If instead of the mig29a it was the M fighting against the f16 the results would be closer…

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buffs them again too much in the wrong direction plus its ahistorical probably

just give them r73

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Decompression would pretty much “fix” their usefulness, put rafales and efts at 14.7, f15C and other Fox 3 carriers at 14.0-14.3, put su-27 at 13.3 and bingo you have a reason to play with the mig29.

Like you explained im talking about whole package.

If USSR didnt fall and Mig29M entered the service everything could’ve been different.

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When did I say that 2 circle doesnt matter?
I really gotta hold back to not call you dumb, please just read again what I wrote.

so you answered my question correctly, the F16 is overperforming and presenting a wrong picture to the players of what the standart in flight performance should be.

I think you misread - with giving the MiGs the ER I mean only to the MiG-29Ms in upcoming BRs at 14.0-14.3

Like I said - the R27EA should only be introduced as a counterpart to the Aim-120C5 - which the Soviets/Russia doesnt have a counter against anyways

The game will eventually progress to these types of missles - and if it goes that far it would be better if we saw a balanced experience with comparable missiles instead of Aim-120C5s facing R77 (the Aim-120C5s effective range is almost 50% bigger than the current Amraams - which already outrange the R77)

The R27EA was an idea for the future - in the current state of the game it would be quite OP, dont you think?

The R27EA was the intended weaponry for the MiG-29M (9.15)- similiar to the Yak-141 project it got cancelled tho and only a few got build and equipped (but there where still some)

So it would theoretically be Premium/Squadron/Event material - btu considering how the YAK-141 got added to the techtree too it might be possible to see the 9.15M in the TT - in which case the R27EA would be quite a unique addition as it is the most far ranging +30G Fox-3 that russia ever had.

We could also see it as a counterpart to the Aim-120D and Meteor, but considering those have far more advanced guidance and more range it would be pretty unfair.
The Aim-120C5 on the other hand has only slightly less range (around 10km in max range and 5km in effective) but slightly more advanced tracking - so a perfect tradeoff!

So does other planes but all you care how much F16 overperforms.

Honestly this is nothing but wasting my time, have fun with your complaining.

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The 27EA is a good tradeoff to the 120A currently in game when considering the other aspects to these jets…

no reason for this, it isn’t better than current 13.0s.

There’s no reason for the mig29g with its 2 x r27ers+4 r73s to stay at the same br as the flanker which has an absurd 6 x 27er + 2 r73s loadout and MUCH better fuel efficiency, i won’t even mention the western jets with their crappy sparrows and downtiers on which you face freaking PHANTOMS lol

Su-33 with 10 missiles is even more comical

The R-77-1 is already a counterpart to the AIM-120C-5, it really isn’t that crazy. The R-27EA isn’t necessary at all imo. There are of course other options like R-37M or even R-77M.

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Isn’t the r-77m still being tested?

Is this really a concern? Was the Horton not tested? Oh wait, no, it wasn’t.

Well can’t argue against that.

It was also the discussion over the R-27EA, also not put into service or sufficiently tested.

Sure! But this is a COMPRESSION issue and not a BALANCE issue. As in, both aircraft fit at 13.0 currently…

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Not in War Thunder, no. They haven’t modeled it accurately enough to say this. The R-27EA could be added today and it wouldn’t be overpowered, just strong.

Ik, that’s why imo su-27 should only go to 13.3 IF they move the fancy stuff up (efts, rafales, strike eagle etc), ideally if we got something like 15.0-15.7 max top tier br it could get an even higher BR so other early 4th gen could also get a br raise to improve conditions for phantoms/mig23s/miragef1, but that’s just fantasy unfortunately.