send it to @skilz2kil maybe he can fix the 29s and su27s
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I am down, he seems objective about these models. Willing to acknowledge their strengths & weaknesses.
I paid for them & I am down to send it to likeminded individuals for the cause, sure.
@skilz2kil message me, I can email it.
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Yeah - im gonna do everything i can to make sure the figures are sound and reportable before i do though, since im of the belief that they deliberately gimped the energy retention due to the r73’s - so i’d like to make mine pretty rock solid so they cant just throw it out. I also want to finish getting data on the rest of the curves - 3g, (finish 5G), 6, 7 & 8G. Along with completing my sustained rate testing as well, as i wanted some other suplimentary figures there too. That way it wouldn’t give much wiggle room for gaijin to just shift the problem to another untested area.
Then I’d like to also do some separate calculations to confirm WTRTI SEP numbers based on the local host data, just so gaijin cant toss the report out on the WRTRI only testing clause. But that would be easy enough as on all my tests i record all results from the in game cockpit, WTRTI output & localhost data in real time - so i can just go back through the footage to get the needed LH input values to calculate SEP myself for each datapoint. When i finish all that ill write up both a report for the big discrepancies according to the Nx chart, and a separate one for the sustained rate chart underperformance.
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The stupid part any report using datamined info gets thrown out. i saw someone else try and report the mig29 OE and i think trickzter just instantly tossed it just for stating the current OE value from datamine - even though it was well sourced lol. Moronic, makes us test on all these other EM/Nx/SEP charts which only can infer OE numbers but we can’t even report the actual in game OE figure itself.
It would be so much easier to report the actual figures and in game fm curves directly through datamined info instead of doing all this ingame testing. Like we even have bots that generate full fm graphs on demand now - would save so much time.
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the “Oswald Efficiency factor” coefficient of an aircraft in the game files is unrelated to the one (ones) in real life. Performance tests like sustained turn and loops are the only thing we can use to compare in game performance with chart/irl performance
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ik, the way gaijin has stuff modeled it isn’t directly comparable - but still is a good indicator to look at when assessing the realism of in game FM’s when taking into account everything else
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All Mig-29s besides the Mig-29 SMT are technologically & physically incapable of using the HMD with any N019 Radars. The Su27 as well is incapable.
They cannot use HMD with radar whatsoever.
The N019 radar is a Cassegrain antenna like the dish below & was taken from the RP-23 Sapfir iof the Mig-23ML. They are not capable of directional beam control.
Basic Cassegrain Antenna.
Mig-23 RP-23 Sapfir
Mig-29 N019 Cassegrain antenna
Only Planar Array antennas are capable of radar HMD like the F-16C & Mig-29 SMT. Even the Mig-21 Bison has the radar capable.
HMD mode works by physically steering the antenna (just like how the antenna is steered side to side in search mode), not electronically steering the beam.
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You actually have no idea what you are talking about. Or what a planar array does. We are not talk talking about PESA Or AESA radars lol.
The Antenna cannot point 170 degrees, nor can it narrow the beam. Its fake. It cannot move its reflector either!
Ok ask yourself this:
The MiG-29 can obviously move it’s radar beam side to side and up / down by some means (how is not important). Otherwise it would not be able to search for and track targets.
If the radar beam can be moved in a search pattern what stops those movements from being controlled by the pilot’s HMD?
Stop this nonsense.
its technologically impossible for a Cassegrain antenna to have directional beam control. That is not how HMD works, by hooking up a radar swivel control to your head.
They are not fast as the human head’s ability to turn or its full range nor are they capable of precise targeting.
It is a Cassegrain antenna of the same technology that sits on the roof of your neighbor’s home
Mig-29 & Su27 radars have one a specific scan zone. THAT is why they only have one static FOV search zone EVEN in war thunder.
This is not true. If the radar can move then it should be able to use HMD.
For example my country uses MiG-29 9.12B which had N019ME(Currently has some upgraded Belorussian radar) and officials always said it can use HMD to lock on targets. I’m pretty sure there are other sources stating the same thing.
If I’m not mistaken F4J has a radar that uses antenna yet it has HMD.
MiG 29s that have older radar probably only uses the HMDs for IR missiles
False. The radar has no ability to narrow precisely or move to the speed and flexibility of a human being’s head.
The radar dish is controlled by analog hydraulic control of the 1970s, what makes you think it can move any faster or slower at free will to a pilot’s head precisely?
The radar dishes that can provide precise directional beam control is Planar Arrays. Not the radar dishes found in the F-4E phantom.
Additionally, the OEPS-29 is strictly and OPTICAL**IRST** system. It has no ability to magically communicate & interface with a radar dish that cannot precisely direct its beam in the first place.
Not that ALSO channel that made up communication into that into the fire control for the R-27R.
It’s such a completely nonsensical grasping & bending over backwards to justify something so technologically incapable
You are absolutely correct 100%
The OEPS-29 & 27 are strictly for the IR weapons.
I said F4J
Meant to say J. The F4J is not using an IRST system to do it.
Neither is the F-16C or the Mig-29SMT.
The Mig-29 SMT & F-16C are using a Planar array antenna to provide precise immediate directional beam control that is integrated into the helmet.
The Mig-29 & Su27 actually cannot that is why their search pattern in completely fixed with no ability to widen its search “pattern.”
So why on earth would you think IRST HMS would have any effect to push the radar further???
That’s called a clue…
Only the Mig-29 SMT can as well as the Mig-21 Bison have the technological capability to have HMD radar support.
As for the Yak-141… its fake N010 with no modification type listed because it is completely made up that is why it has different search patterns & more range. It would be more believable if GJ gave it the N019M Topaz not a Zhuk. The Topaz got the increase to 80km targeting. The Zhuk is 100km as shown in the SMT.
GJ could not even name its fake IRST in the stat card because it would reveal that GJ went even further out of their way to give the Yak-141 an unfair advantage it never had.
The Mig-29 has its OEPS proudly displayed & The Yak-141 does not, just says IRST capable.
That is why after the Yak-141 GJ intentionally stopped naming the OEPS for new aircraft to hide the fact that they have no ability to interface with these obsolete radars of Soviet origin.
It uses HMS not HMD.