provide examples im intrigued
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Unfortunately, In this case It does not matter what you think I used in a 60 second online search of an aircraft that was ONLY found out to be a 9-13 because the very website you fail to comprehend had already provided the most valuable piece of official information that one must have to officially verify what any one aircraft Model & Type upon serial production in must have the ICAO 24-bit address (we can actively look up now) that is unique to he aircraft and is documented upon registration of the aircraft.
The serial number was correct & that is all that matters.
The name of the Mig-29 was also still correct.
It was just a single letter S for modification that was most likely mistakenly input in by an individual who’s job is to update the catalog . Have you ever done data entry before? Probably not, but I can assure you the process is always susceptible to error when done for extended period. The information that matters is correct.
As for a specific website that I never once referred to by name ever on this forum before…
Again, the serial number was correct & that is all that matters.
Additionally the pictures I provided of the Ukrainian 9-13 in question already existed years before the websites ever became operational. But many sites
I will never post a source unless I verified & deemed to be irrefutable. :) I just figured that was an upgrade that has no bearing on the ER anyway & why none of you can find the ER on Ukrainian Mig-29s not upgraded with the N019M Topaz. Even in Ukrainian possession & expertise, they are not able to slap on ERs to any Mig29. Even though they have the Topaz & Mech N001…Because they do not produce the radars that guide them & the R-77s. Only the Russian Federation does.
It is too funny now that you mention a dislike for a website I never even cited while you cannot see the greater value provided right under your nose but are fixated on a missing letter or number in the profile on the site. So now the site is greatly unreliable? You do not know what unreliable is, you cannot determine what reliable is.
The most hilarious part of this attempt to disprove a website I did never cites is the fact that @BBCRF used a copyright owned photo taken from the Russian Aviation Photo Team for Airliners.net of a well-known of a 9-13S of the Russian Federation that has the N019M Topaz radar & thus R-27ERs guidance compatibility. All information on it is surgically spot on & accurate on the site
This is unfortunately confirms my suspicions I have had for the longest just reading anything stated by him in relation to Soviet aviation longer than five minutes.
@BBCRF does not actually have any understanding of Soviet Aircraft history & design philosophy. Has no ability to identify key historical moments of the Brezhnev era.
He does not even have access to a single Mig29 or Su27 in all of War Thunder but swears the Devs ruined the Flanker & modelled it horribly.
Oh & he might be blind because that is an R-27R not ERs lol.
Can you please show what radar it has, and a simple photo of the ER attached?
Do you understand you just defeated their argument that the ER can be fired from any unmodified, non upgraded N019 Rubin?
Do you understand you only further prove my point once again?
The ER cannot be fired from any unmodified N019 Rubin.
You literally just offered your own evidence that only ERs can only be fired from upgraded MODERNIZED N019 radars.
Thanks!
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They say its MiG29 SE and it has the serial number as well. Clicking on the serial number shows that its MiG 29SE but the thing is its not MiG 29SE.
It shows how unreliable these types of sites are. You can’t use these types of sites as a source.
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These are clearly MiG 29 9-13. They have the larger dorsal fin(or whatever its called)
Because countries received upgrades from the Russians and those are hard to keep track… In sound research you must expect discrepancies. You need to understand this is how open source intelligence works. You need to learn how to sift through it.
Not cry about a missing letter. If the serial number is correct. You follow the trail.
Even direct sources from Russian military will always have intentional element of maskirovka placed through out. I suppose to understand these things requires someone privy doctrines in intelligence gathering & counter intelligence.
Did you look up the serial number? Or dorsals determine everything?
Looking up the serial number(MSN) will only show the Airliners.Net pictures. There’s no guarantee that these serial numbers are official. These are written by the people who took these pictures.
Yes Dorsals can determine the variant.
There is two sources confirming serial. You can find it.
That’s where I left off because it’s irrelevant to me.
This site even says its a MiG 29(9-12A) 😂. I know its not 102 but 101
The sources you are talking about are unofficial. Unofficial sources cannot be used for determining such important matters.
Who said they were official lol.
If it’s not the Sam
So you have not the right jet. Ok
You are treating them like official sources. The fact is that these MSN/Serial numbers cannot be trusted.
Bruh. You think just one digit change in the serial number would change its variant? 10X serial number MiGs are all the same variant.
I’ll talk to you later. I have to eat my breakfast.
Kid you can look up serial numbers & hex codes. They are given to every aircraft upon serial production & upon registry of any nation.
Your mad because you are not educated enough to understand these databases collect identification en masse on aircraft of countless commercial, civil & military. Of course discrepancies will be found.
Don’t forget to brush your teeth too & wash your hands.
Can you tell it’s correct? No serial numbers? What about hex code? How do you know it’s not incorrectly talking about the others in the picture?
lol so it’s a 9-13S? lol sweet. They said none existed. Lmfao
This is golden.
It’s for you since unofficial stuff is valid to you.
MSN numbers can be trustworthy if it’s a civilian aircraft. In case of military aircraft these MSNs are often wrong specially if it’s a russian or soviet aircraft.
As long as you can’t show a official document where it says its a 9-12S your claims are not valid.
You just wasted everyone’s likes to do a full circle, just to come back around to offer your evidence of an Ukrainian 9-13S…
Bravo my boy. Bravo!
When did I claim its 9-13S? I never claimed it. That picture was for you.
The pictures of Ukrainian MiGs you shared didn’t even have their full msn written on them. So there’s no guarantee that the guy entered the correct MSN.